<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Knicks have rejected a proposal from the Clippers to trade power forward Zach Randolph, league sources told SI.com. Terms of any proposal were not known, but the Clippers have enough salary-cap space to accept Randolph's contract without having to give the Knicks equal salaries in return. The Clippers, seeking to replace the departed Elton Brand, were trying to take Randolph off the Knicks' hands while offering little more than cap relief to New York, the sources said. Randolph will make $14.7 million next season, and he has three years and $48 million left on his contract.</div> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/bask...tml?eref=si_nba Donnie Walsh said he wants to be under the cap by 2010, but he says no to this?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thrilla @ Jul 11 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Knicks have rejected a proposal from the Clippers to trade power forward Zach Randolph, league sources told SI.com. Terms of any proposal were not known, but the Clippers have enough salary-cap space to accept Randolph's contract without having to give the Knicks equal salaries in return. The Clippers, seeking to replace the departed Elton Brand, were trying to take Randolph off the Knicks' hands while offering little more than cap relief to New York, the sources said. Randolph will make $14.7 million next season, and he has three years and $48 million left on his contract.</div> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/bask...tml?eref=si_nba Donnie Walsh said he wants to be under the cap by 2010, but he says no to this? </div> It says "terms of the proposal were unknown," so I can't really judge the guy. EDIT: Actually, looking at the Knicks and Clippers in a trade checker, the only plausible deal salary-wise would have been something along the lines of Randolph for Cuttino Mobley and Tim Thomas. That wouldn't be a horrible deal from a talent perspective, and it would shave Randolph's $55M off the books for '10, so I guess I'm with you on this one, 44. But hey, at least Walsh isn't Isiah. I guess the logic would be that Walsh thinks the Knicks can still compete this year, and Randolph would give them a better chance of doing so than Mobley and Thomas. Still,...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You have to hope that Donnie Walsh knows what he’s doing here. Because getting rid of Randolph fits in perfectly with his plan of getting under the cap by 2010, and many Knick fans would love to see what David Lee could do as the full time starter... On the other hand if you’re seeing the cup half empty at this point, you’re wondering if Walsh has lost his mind. Because those are the only plausible reasons for Walsh not saying “Hmmm lemme think about that for a - YES I’LL DO IT! Ahem - I mean yes, that’ll do.” Randolph is not needed on this team. He wasn’t needed last year when the Isiah acquired him for basically nothing. He doesn’t give the Knicks anything they need (shooting - check, rebounding - check, poor defense - check, man breasts - Curry still on this team? - then check).</div> http://www.knickerblogger.net/index.php/20...e-its-own-post/ I saw this on a Knicks blog. I agree that they're better off making the deal no matter how you look at it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jul 11 2008, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thrilla @ Jul 11 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Knicks have rejected a proposal from the Clippers to trade power forward Zach Randolph, league sources told SI.com. Terms of any proposal were not known, but the Clippers have enough salary-cap space to accept Randolph's contract without having to give the Knicks equal salaries in return. The Clippers, seeking to replace the departed Elton Brand, were trying to take Randolph off the Knicks' hands while offering little more than cap relief to New York, the sources said. Randolph will make $14.7 million next season, and he has three years and $48 million left on his contract.</div> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/bask...tml?eref=si_nba Donnie Walsh said he wants to be under the cap by 2010, but he says no to this? </div> It says "terms of the proposal were unknown," so I can't really judge the guy. EDIT: Actually, looking at the Knicks and Clippers in a trade checker, the only plausible deal salary-wise would have been something along the lines of Randolph for Cuttino Mobley and Tim Thomas. That wouldn't be a horrible deal from a talent perspective, and it would shave Randolph's $55M off the books for '10, so I guess I'm with you on this one, 44. But hey, at least Walsh isn't Isiah. I guess the logic would be that Walsh thinks the Knicks can still compete this year, and Randolph would give them a better chance of doing so than Mobley and Thomas. Still,... </div> ... Since the Clippers didn't lock down Brand, they don't have to make a dollar for dollar trade. That is how it would have saved the Knicks money. But as you noted, the Clippers may have wanted the Knicks to include picks, cash and maybe even David Lee... -Petey
I mean if the offer was for a 2nd rounder in 2015... you gotta take it right? this guy is a cancer and not worth a dime of his salary. He was a question mark coming outta college and he's been wasted talent since. this guy should be a top 5 PF, but doesn't have the motivation.. it's sad.
I don't see how you can judge this proposal since the terms were unknown. Suppose the Clippers wanted Chandler, Lee, and/or a first rounder in the deal. Would the trade for Zach still be worth it? We've been donating young talent to the Bulls for a couple of years now and I would be opposed to swapping young, cheap talent for a salary shed. And who knows if the Clippers even made an offer. Maybe it was just a "feeler", since they are looking at Josh Smith and Okafor to man that vacant PF spot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Jul 12 2008, 04:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I mean if the offer was for a 2nd rounder in 2015... you gotta take it right? this guy is a cancer and not worth a dime of his salary. He was a question mark coming outta college and he's been wasted talent since. this guy should be a top 5 PF, but doesn't have the motivation.. it's sad.</div> I disagree with your assessment on Zach. I could understand if you called him a cancer, but how doesn't he have the motivation? It's not like he's huge and athletic like an Eddy Curry or a Dwight Howard. He's extremely un-athletic, and undersized at 6'8" or 6'9". Yet he manages to rank in the top 10 in rebounds and double-doubles. Zach is actually a workhorse on the court. Zach's motivation is exactly what gave him his jumper, which extends to the 3-point range; his motivation is what gave him his post moves; his motivation gave him his ball-handling abilities. He's far from being unmotivated.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>There will be change with the roster, that much is certain. How much and how soon remains to be seen. Walsh already proved he will work at his own pace when he turned down an offer from the Los Angeles Clippers for Zach Randolph, whom Walsh had been shopping for a while. The Clippers reportedly offered a second-round pick for Randolph, but Walsh believes he can get a better offer. Randolph, who has a hefty three years and $48 million left on his contract, is still a consistent double-double performer.</div> http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/k...0,1879002.story Meh. I guess I don't blame 'em.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Jul 12 2008, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Jul 12 2008, 04:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I mean if the offer was for a 2nd rounder in 2015... you gotta take it right? this guy is a cancer and not worth a dime of his salary. He was a question mark coming outta college and he's been wasted talent since. this guy should be a top 5 PF, but doesn't have the motivation.. it's sad.</div> I disagree with your assessment on Zach. I could understand if you called him a cancer, but how doesn't he have the motivation? It's not like he's huge and athletic like an Eddy Curry or a Dwight Howard. He's extremely un-athletic, and undersized at 6'8" or 6'9". Yet he manages to rank in the top 10 in rebounds and double-doubles. Zach is actually a workhorse on the court. Zach's motivation is exactly what gave him his jumper, which extends to the 3-point range; his motivation is what gave him his post moves; his motivation gave him his ball-handling abilities. He's far from being unmotivated. </div> But don't you watch him on the court and think he could be doing more with his talent? He's good at putting up solid numbers yes, but has he ever done it on a winner? This guy should be causing teams to double him and making it easier for his team to score and making good passes. Instead he goes through the motions, doesn't appear to be in the best shape he could be and is getting by on his talent rather than becoming an even better player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 13 2008, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>There will be change with the roster, that much is certain. How much and how soon remains to be seen. Walsh already proved he will work at his own pace when he turned down an offer from the Los Angeles Clippers for Zach Randolph, whom Walsh had been shopping for a while. The Clippers reportedly offered a second-round pick for Randolph, but Walsh believes he can get a better offer. Randolph, who has a hefty three years and $48 million left on his contract, is still a consistent double-double performer.</div> http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/k...0,1879002.story Meh. I guess I don't blame 'em. </div> They could really regret that down the line. -Petey
They need to rebuild. If somebody offers them a fresh turd for Randolph, they should take it. Not many teams are going to take that much salary off of you without giving you some back in return. I think Walsh should be all over that.
I didn't realize Walsh was a Clippers fans and wanted to keep them from screwing up their team more than it already is. Although I'm sad to hear that I won't get to watch the hilarity of Baron berating Zach on the court. That has the potential to be even more unintentionally funny than playing Zach and Eddy at the same time.
There will be more offers for Zach in the next two years, especially next year when he’s closer to his prime and $14.6M gets reduced from his contract. Like it or not, Zach is still an 18/10 big man in this league, and we’re essentially saying he’s valueless by trading him for a second rounder. The Clippers are also in a more desperate position than us with Brand leaving. If they don’t sign Okafor or Josh Smith there will definitely be more discussions between Walsh and the Clippers. I think it is wise to not immediately bite on a trade like this.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"I have learned that the Clippers' offer to the Knicks for Zach Randolph last week was much more audacious than first suspected," reports Ian Thomsen of Sports Illustrated. "In addition to Randolph, they wanted the Knicks to send them a first-round pick and $3 million in exchange for Brevin Knight. The Knicks said no."</div> Makes sense. The first rounder is probably for next season too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Jul 19 2008, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"I have learned that the Clippers' offer to the Knicks for Zach Randolph last week was much more audacious than first suspected," reports Ian Thomsen of Sports Illustrated. "In addition to Randolph, they wanted the Knicks to send them a first-round pick and $3 million in exchange for Brevin Knight. The Knicks said no."</div> Makes sense. The first rounder is probably for next season too. </div> Knicks already have their 2009 pick traded to Utah but it's top 22 protected, then it's unprotected in 2010.
