Trade Boone before his value drops

We should capitalize on his value, and at the same time consolidate players and resources. I'd be interested in moving...

Boone, Swift, Marcus, Hassel totaling around 12 million. Hm, not the best group of assets. KVH is at 4 million I believe.

Maybe Boone and Marcus to Indiana for Danny Granger? Indiana lost JO, and Boone is more of a definitive producer than Hibbert. At least you start negotiating from this.

They traded Love for Mayo, so there's a position for Boone to have an impact in Memphis. Boone for Lowry?

He's off the books in 2010, but why wouldn't you want to retain him? This trade makes way too much sense: Boone, Marcus, Swift (expiring) for Foye, and Twin.

 

Of the two, I'd prefer to trade Sean. Boone is a "true" big that can guard either the 4 or 5, is a more intelligent player with much better passing skills and understanding of the game, and his (Boone's) athleticism is a little underrated. He's proved very adequate, and is still improving, as a big that can roll to the hoop, catch, and finish, and he does a very nice job of tracking the ball off drives and timing his offensive tip ins. He had a number of standout individual defensive efforts last year against the likes of Dwight Howard (though he's far from a finished defensive product). His injury problems hampered his starts in each of his first two seasons, but with two seasons under his belt and a presumably clean bill of health heading into next year, I think he's poised to make great improvements.

Sean has no real position, will likely never have the skills to be an effective 3, and will struggle in the post against stronger, bigger 4s. These deficits would be okay if he had standout basketball intelligence or motor, but he has neither. Summer league only seems to be reinforcing how gentle his curve of improvement has been since he entered the league (one great defensive effort against a rookie doesn't change that). He will take your breath away with a block or a dunk once or twice a game, and I realize that kind of inspirational play has value for a team. But he doesn't fit the mold they appear to be using for this team now. And I think he would bring more value in a trade than he is likely ever to impart as a player under Frank.

I'm not against trading Boone for the right piece, like a quality, defensive-minded PG, and it's true that his value is likely to dip after this year because of all the bigs. But if two of Sean, Boone, and Krstic are going to stay, I'd prefer them to be Krstic and Boone.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 11 2008, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Of the two, I'd prefer to trade Sean. Boone is a "true" big that can guard either the 4 or 5, is a more intelligent player with much better passing skills and understanding of the game, and his (Boone's) athleticism is a little underrated. He's proved very adequate, and is still improving, as a big that can roll to the hoop, catch, and finish, and he does a very nice job of tracking the ball off drives and timing his offensive tip ins. He had a number of standout individual defensive efforts last year against the likes of Dwight Howard (though he's far from a finished defensive product). His injury problems hampered his starts in each of his first two seasons, but with two seasons under his belt and a presumably clean bill of health heading into next year, I think he's poised to make great improvements.

Sean has no real position, will likely never have the skills to be an effective 3, and will struggle in the post against stronger, bigger 4s. These deficits would be okay if he had standout basketball intelligence or motor, but he has neither. Summer league only seems to be reinforcing how gentle his curve of improvement has been since he entered the league (one great defensive effort against a rookie doesn't change that). He will take your breath away with a block or a dunk once or twice a game, and I realize that kind of inspirational play has value for a team. But he doesn't fit the mold they appear to be using for this team now. And I think he would bring more value in a trade than he is likely ever to impart as a player under Frank.

I'm not against trading Boone for the right piece, like a quality, defensive-minded PG, and it's true that his value is likely to dip after this year because of all the bigs. But if two of Sean, Boone, and Krstic are going to stay, I'd prefer them to be Krstic and Boone.</div>

You bring up alot of good points about boone, but his foul shooting just drives me crazy! You know if he was shooting 88% from the line he would be almost a 20 point scorer.

 

This talk of trading Sean after while his value is high reminds me of the when the Raptors traded Villanueva after his rookie season. Its a gamble no matter how well you think you've assessed a prospect. One year is just so little time.

Ultimately its a matter of fit. If you can envision Sean developing into a consistent and important role on this team, then you should take the chance yourself rather than ship him out.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 11 2008, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We should capitalize on his value, and at the same time consolidate players and resources. I'd be interested in moving...

Boone, Swift, Marcus, Hassel totaling around 12 million. Hm, not the best group of assets. KVH is at 4 million I believe.

Maybe Boone and Marcus to Indiana for Danny Granger? Indiana lost JO, and Boone is more of a definitive producer than Hibbert. At least you start negotiating from this.

They traded Love for Mayo, so there's a position for Boone to have an impact in Memphis. Boone for Lowry?

He's off the books in 2010, but why wouldn't you want to retain him? This trade makes way too much sense: Boone, Marcus, Swift (expiring) for Foye, and Twin.</div>

...how do you go from Boone+Marcus for Granger to Boone for Lowry?

anyway, I'd like to keep Boone around, unless we could get something nice for him. He seems like the guy who will bring all of the intangibles that Collins brought, and all of the skills on court, but with the ability to average a double-double. He won't be the sexy pick, but he is a great fit next to a top scoring big. Like what Perkins did for the Celtics, although I believe he will be better. Also, at this point, he is really the only Net big man who has little downside. It's obvious that he could be a solid starter. Who knows if Yi, Brook, or SWat can bring it every night.

Boone is also fundamentally sound already, and he could develop a few moves in the post, I truly believe. He seems like the guy we wanted in this draft, athleticism may not jump out of you, but you can just tell he knows how to play the game.

 

Boone was our best big last year. There is no reason to trade him when we don't have any other proven playoffs upfront. Even if Lopez and Sean meet expectations Boone would still have a place on this team. At the very least Boone is cheap and effective depth for the next few years.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Basileus777 @ Jul 12 2008, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boone was our best big last year. There is no reason to trade him when we don't have any other proven playoffs upfront. Even if Lopez and Sean meet expectations Boone would still have a place on this team. At the very least Boone is cheap and effective depth for the next few years.</div>

Being the best big on the Nets last season is lot like being a tall Frenchman that Vince didn't dunk on in the Olympics. It is a useless designation.

Yes Boone could provide cheap depth, but this about asset management. His value isn't likely to get better.

 

Boone has more value to us than we are likely to get in return for trading him. What are teams really going to give up for him?

 

I agree that if we are to trade any of our bigs, it should be Boone. A lot of you guys are giving Sean too little credit. His ceiling is definitely higher than Boone's.

Remember Sean started to play basketball in the later years of his High School, he doesn't have as much experience as any of the players that we have ever drafted. Yet he still played very well during his rookie season.

Comparing Sean's rookie season with Boone's rookie season, I think Sean's is definitely a lot better. It's too early to give up on Sean, he's only been in the league for one year, and from what I saw in the summer league his offensive game did improve compare to last year.

 

boone>>>>>>>>>swat

 

http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?...&thispage=2

this article was interesting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Among the players currently employed, only Devin Harris, Vince Carter, Yi Jianlian, Bobby Simmons, the three rookies (Brook Lopez, Ryan Anderson and Chris Douglas-Roberts), and the two newcomers are considered part of their current core. Every other player -- even recent draftees Josh Boone and Sean Williams -- are being shopped around the NBA, according to various league executives.

The Nets hope to consolidate at least some of these players (preferably Stromile Swift and Marcus Williams) for a trade that could bring back a serviceable veteran, such as Marcus Camby.

There may also be a chance to get something for Nenad Krstic, a restricted free agent for whom the Nets are exploring sign-and-trade opportunities.</div>

so apparently we're shopping Boone and SWat? and Ager, Marcus, Swift and Hassell, but they aren't really surprising.

And I wonder if we aren't shopping Simmons because we don't think anyone would take his contract.

 

It would be nice if one of the young bigs had shown an ability to rebound but right now, none of them has. That's the danger of giving up Boone without getting a rebounder in return.

It doesn't really matter. This team will not win 30 games as currently constituted.

Moreover, I do not believe this is all about the free agent class of 2010. I believe it's about cutting salary because the Nets are a declining asset in the Forest City Enterprises portfolio and management is doing what managements do with declining assets--they are dumping long term expenses in hopes of raising the value for a sale. The Nets already have more debt (as a percentage of asset value) than any other sports franchise.

Ratner may still be pushing the Brooklyn idea hard, but I believe at best FCE has told him that unless he gets things straightened out soon, they are prepared to pull the plug on their support for the overall project by 2010. Real estate companies often fail by overextending themselves on mega projects.

This is no longer a sports story. It is a business story...and a bad one. Next thing to look for is defections, valued managers departing the scene.

Or perhaps, I am wrong. Maybe this is just another example of Kiki Vandeweghe not knowing what he is doing. He was a disaster in Denver, producing nothing for his owners other than overpriced contracts.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Among the players currently employed, only Devin Harris, Vince Carter, Yi Jianlian, Bobby Simmons, the three rookies (Brook Lopez, Ryan Anderson and Chris Douglas-Roberts), and the two newcomers are considered part of their current core.</div>

NOOOOOOOOOOOO....

 

<span style="color:#ff0000">**No personal attacks.** </span>

 

I say NO to trading Sean Williams. That is very risky. There's no need to take that kind of chance right now.

Trading Boone makes more sense, but he is the only guy on the team who can guard centers, so if they trade him they better get someone back who can do that.

His FT% is the main reason I'd consider dealing him. It's one thing to be bad, it's another to be the worst in NBA history.

 

To be fair, Boone's FT% got steadily better over the course of the season last year. I see no reason why he couldn't be a consistent 65-70% free throw shooter, which I believe he accomplished over the final six weeks or so. That would wake him roughly a 12-8 guy. He has a soft touch around the basket, and quite honestly is a very good offensive rebounder--check out his ORs per minute past year and compare it to the league rebounding leaders--and that is very, very important on this team since no one else can do it. It is a skill to anticipate where the ball is likely to bounce given the direction and distance of the initial shot, and Josh has the intuition to do it. Everyone likes to focus on his negatives, because he isn't the prototypical athletic big that you can build a team around. Well, there are only a handful of those around.

The biggest problem Boone has right now is mental. He gets down on himself for blowing an assignment and stops to talk to himself while the play is still going on. He has to get over that--and also realise that sometimes you can do everything as well as you can and still get beat on a particular play. Once he learns to focus more on the present, he'll really be a solid two-way guy.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 12 2008, 01:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would be nice if one of the young bigs had shown an ability to rebound but right now, none of them has. That's the danger of giving up Boone without getting a rebounder in return.

It doesn't really matter. This team will not win 30 games as currently constituted.</div>

I still have my hopes up. Nearly every team is loaded with talent--look at Atlanta and Charlotte, for example. WHy are some teams consistently good and some teams consistently bad? Other than those few superstars, the talent level on these teams isn't significantly different. I think it comes down to elements like coaching; how well the players interact with each other; whether the team has a primary identity and whether the players buy into it; whether they are willing to put the team above their individual stats. That, and a deep, experienced bench. I think the Nets have, or are gaining, those things. I think their potential upside is what the Sixers accomplished last year: a mostly young team that no one expected anything from, but over the course of the year became more effective and rolled into the playoffs. I think these players are gamers who will play hard every day, and won't just "play out the string" when March 1 rolls around (with a couple of exceptions, who may be traded by opening day). I think they'll play hard defense and sprint back on transition. I think they'll buy into the team idea. And I think that Vince Carter is still a stud. A lot of things have to go right for the team to be successful--but I like their chances more than the Seattles and Minnesotas and Charlottes and Hawkses and Knickses, etc.

 

wtf i don't get why management would want to trade Sean. When we drafted him we had the idea that he was gonna be a pretty big project, so for his rookie year its not like he disappointed.

With Boone it's tuff, I think that its time for him to go only if its the right deal, that Denver trade doesn't look to bad I just don't wanna give up on Marcus I really like him.

 

If we get a shot blocker like camby, why havin' sean around? He's overrated...Boone can rebound, guard centers and score around the basket.