<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 12 2008, 01:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would be nice if one of the young bigs had shown an ability to rebound but right now, none of them has. That's the danger of giving up Boone without getting a rebounder in return. It doesn't really matter. This team will not win 30 games as currently constituted. Moreover, I do not believe this is all about the free agent class of 2010. I believe it's about cutting salary because the Nets are a declining asset in the Forest City Enterprises portfolio and management is doing what managements do with declining assets--they are dumping long term expenses in hopes of raising the value for a sale. The Nets already have more debt (as a percentage of asset value) than any other sports franchise. Ratner may still be pushing the Brooklyn idea hard, but I believe at best FCE has told him that unless he gets things straightened out soon, they are prepared to pull the plug on their support for the overall project by 2010. Real estate companies often fail by overextending themselves on mega projects. This is no longer a sports story. It is a business story...and a bad one. Next thing to look for is defections, valued managers departing the scene. Or perhaps, I am wrong. Maybe this is just another example of Kiki Vandeweghe not knowing what he is doing. He was a disaster in Denver, producing nothing for his owners other than overpriced contracts.</div> If this is true (and I'm not saying it isn't), why didn't the Nets do the Wally/VC deal? He's clearly the biggest payroll drain now and in the future. The Nets have played in half empty arenas even with Carter and the addition of Yi is probably enough to offset whatever boxoffice losses eould result from dealing Carter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 12 2008, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 12 2008, 01:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It would be nice if one of the young bigs had shown an ability to rebound but right now, none of them has. That's the danger of giving up Boone without getting a rebounder in return. It doesn't really matter. This team will not win 30 games as currently constituted. Moreover, I do not believe this is all about the free agent class of 2010. I believe it's about cutting salary because the Nets are a declining asset in the Forest City Enterprises portfolio and management is doing what managements do with declining assets--they are dumping long term expenses in hopes of raising the value for a sale. The Nets already have more debt (as a percentage of asset value) than any other sports franchise. Ratner may still be pushing the Brooklyn idea hard, but I believe at best FCE has told him that unless he gets things straightened out soon, they are prepared to pull the plug on their support for the overall project by 2010. Real estate companies often fail by overextending themselves on mega projects. This is no longer a sports story. It is a business story...and a bad one. Next thing to look for is defections, valued managers departing the scene. Or perhaps, I am wrong. Maybe this is just another example of Kiki Vandeweghe not knowing what he is doing. He was a disaster in Denver, producing nothing for his owners other than overpriced contracts.</div> If this is true (and I'm not saying it isn't), why didn't the Nets do the Wally/VC deal? He's clearly the biggest payroll drain now and in the future. The Nets have played in half empty arenas even with Carter and the addition of Yi is probably enough to offset whatever boxoffice losses eould result from dealing Carter. </div> I agree with FOMW. Besides, the reason they are caringso much debt is because they structured it that way. They knew it was going to be like this. Only difference is it's taking longer. They could've put more equity into the purchase, but they rather spend it building since that is their business. This odd assortment of players suggests something else is on the horizon. They went and signed these guys. It's not like they had to take them back in a trade. If cost cutting was the goal they wouldn't be signing Najera to a 4 year deal. They'd just sign more 1 or 2 year vet min deals like in the past. They only have 2 long term deals, VC and Harris.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Basileus777 @ Jul 12 2008, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boone has more value to us than we are likely to get in return for trading him. What are teams really going to give up for him?</div> excellent point, Boone is a solid player, I wouldn't even trade him for Camby and not for any back up PG. Bigs are hard to find and Boone is solid, we stuck with Jason Collins for all these years and yes Collins did help us win. I compare Boone to a Jason Collins that can actually score a few baskets and rebound. Boone gets double doubles and won't mind being put on the bench.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 12 2008, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Basileus777 @ Jul 12 2008, 01:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boone has more value to us than we are likely to get in return for trading him. What are teams really going to give up for him?</div> excellent point, Boone is a solid player, I wouldn't even trade him for Camby and not for any back up PG. Bigs are hard to find and Boone is solid, we stuck with Jason Collins for all these years and yes Collins did help us win. I compare Boone to a Jason Collins that can actually score a few baskets and rebound. Boone gets double doubles and won't mind being put on the bench. </div> he better get used to coming off the bench now that lopez is here.
Can someone give me a reason why we would want Camby? I'll be the first to admit the guy was a monster last year, but we're not going deep into the playoffs until 2011, when Camby will be 37. Who thinks he'll be productive then? Denver needs him a lot more than we do. As for Boone vs Sean, I think we're forgetting that Sean has only been playing basketball for 6 or 7 years. Lets give him a little more time before we jump to judgements on his potential. I like Boone, but he's the only big on our roster with good value right now (other than Lopez, who we aren't giving up). If Thorn thinks he can get anything for Nenad other than a second rounder in a S/T for Nenad he is crazy. The Najera signing makes little sense if he comes back.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rollydog @ Jul 12 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for Boone vs Sean, I think we're forgetting that Sean has only been playing basketball for 6 or 7 years. Lets give him a little more time before we jump to judgements on his potential. I like Boone, but he's the only big on our roster with good value right now (other than Lopez, who we aren't giving up). If Thorn thinks he can get anything for Nenad other than a second rounder in a S/T for Nenad he is crazy. The Najera signing makes little sense if he comes back.</div> the fundamental question is whether the team should pay a lot of money for someone to possibly develop into a competent player, with just as much a chance that he will either NOT develop, or just start to get it when he becomes an unrestricted free agent. Each team and every fan has a different opinion on that one. Keep in mind, though, that before Sean, the Nets had a pretty clear and consistent reaction to that. Sean was a deviation, an experiment. Do you think the team thinks it is worth continuing?
http://media.www.dailyorange.com/media/sto...rt-854196.shtml Great Read on how smart Boone is. Hes a very impressive person.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 12 2008, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://media.www.dailyorange.com/media/sto...rt-854196.shtml Great Read on how smart Boone is. Hes a very impressive person.</div> thats a great read... so him and sean are both intelligent individuals. thats great to hear... hehe looks are decieving
