<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they already have a back up in Marcus Williams who has better stats. If your going to get rid of Marcus, and bring in another back up shouldn't that new back up be better than the old back up. I want a backup to replace Marcus only if they are better , and are capible of playing starting minutes whenever the nets need him. Dooling is average at best. no thank you also: Marcus has mush more upside than Dooling. I think we've seen all we going to see from Dooling.</div> Dude, Marcus can't defend my grandma. Dooling is one of the best perimeter defenders on the market. As stated on the 1st page, stats aren't everything. Marcus got his stats in (mostly) garbage minutes or against the opposing team's bench, while Dooling got his playing a key role for the Magic. Obviously Dooling isn't going to get much better, but the fact that Marcus has potential that he has yet to prove he can fulfill shouldn't stop us from signing a very solid player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jul 14 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they already have a back up in Marcus Williams who has better stats. If your going to get rid of Marcus, and bring in another back up shouldn't that new back up be better than the old back up. I want a backup to replace Marcus only if they are better , and are capible of playing starting minutes whenever the nets need him. Dooling is average at best. no thank you also: Marcus has mush more upside than Dooling. I think we've seen all we going to see from Dooling.</div> Dude, Marcus can't defend my grandma. Dooling is one of the best perimeter defenders on the market. As stated on the 1st page, stats aren't everything. Marcus got his stats in (mostly) garbage minutes or against the opposing team's bench, while Dooling got his playing a key role for the Magic. Obviously Dooling isn't going to get much better, but the fact that Marcus has potential that he has yet to prove he can fulfill shouldn't stop us from signing a very solid player. </div> Exactly. We don't need a back-up pg with upside. We need one that can fill a role. Dooling can do these three things: give Harris a breather, come in as a defensive specialist and come in as an extra shooter. He can also fill in for an extended time if Harris gets hurt. We have 25 year old Devin Harris. We don't need a replacement.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jul 14 2008, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they already have a back up in Marcus Williams who has better stats. If your going to get rid of Marcus, and bring in another back up shouldn't that new back up be better than the old back up. I want a backup to replace Marcus only if they are better , and are capible of playing starting minutes whenever the nets need him. Dooling is average at best. no thank you also: Marcus has mush more upside than Dooling. I think we've seen all we going to see from Dooling.</div> <u>Dude, Marcus can't defend my grandma. Dooling is one of the best perimeter defenders on the market</u>. As stated on the 1st page, stats aren't everything. Marcus got his stats in (mostly) garbage minutes or against the opposing team's bench, while Dooling got his playing a key role for the Magic. Obviously Dooling isn't going to get much better, but the fact that Marcus has potential that he has yet to prove he can fulfill shouldn't stop us from signing a very solid player. </div> Can you prove that with stats, or no stats? casue i just don't see it. I watched a few playoff games with the magic and i wasn't impressed. He's average, overrated. Marcus's defense may not be his best suit yet, but he's a work in progress. He was forced to play behind Jason Kidd. Which means he would have never gotten the minutes boone did. If kidd got injured early on the season and MW got kidds minutes or the minutes that boone got who do you think would be considered the better player? I still remember the triple overtime game against the suns where Marcus took over and damn near won that game. The kid has tremdious upside, and to quit on him now is like to quit on sean williams. This team can afford to hang on to both williams. Now is dooling the answer for another guard besides Marcus, i still say no, look for something better. oh yeah, go nets!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jul 14 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 14 2008, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dooling was overpaid in his last contract. Now the Nets have to convince him to take $5 million over two years with maybe a third year partially guaranteed. Cant see that working.</div> http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/bask...story?track=rss Orlando's offering him 2 mil for 2 years, so he ain't goin' to Orlando. Who are the suitors, and who'll offer the most money? </div> It's $4 million over two years, the LLE of $1.9 million and $2.1 million. His agent has said there are seven suitors, which include the Nets and Heat. Heat is also in a money bind. Who knows who the others are. I think everyone has to remember two things about him: 1) he can back up either guard and 2) Devin Harris has not exactly been the most physically robust player in the NBA. He regularly misses a lot of games so whoever they get they will have to trust as a part-time starter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jul 14 2008, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they already have a back up in Marcus Williams who has better stats. If your going to get rid of Marcus, and bring in another back up shouldn't that new back up be better than the old back up. I want a backup to replace Marcus only if they are better , and are capible of playing starting minutes whenever the nets need him. Dooling is average at best. no thank you also: Marcus has mush more upside than Dooling. I think we've seen all we going to see from Dooling.</div> <u>Dude, Marcus can't defend my grandma. Dooling is one of the best perimeter defenders on the market</u>. As stated on the 1st page, stats aren't everything. Marcus got his stats in (mostly) garbage minutes or against the opposing team's bench, while Dooling got his playing a key role for the Magic. Obviously Dooling isn't going to get much better, but the fact that Marcus has potential that he has yet to prove he can fulfill shouldn't stop us from signing a very solid player. </div> Can you prove that with stats, or no stats? casue i just don't see it. I watched a few playoff games with the magic and i wasn't impressed. He's average, overrated. Marcus's defense may not be his best suit yet, but he's a work in progress. He was forced to play behind Jason Kidd. Which means he would have never gotten the minutes boone did. If kidd got injured early on the season and MW got kidds minutes or the minutes that boone got who do you think would be considered the better player? I still remember the triple overtime game against the suns where Marcus took over and damn near won that game. The kid has tremdious upside, and to quit on him now is like to quit on sean williams. This team can afford to hang on to both williams. Now is dooling the answer for another guard besides Marcus, i still say no, look for something better. oh yeah, go nets!!! </div> Who said signing Dooling=quitting on Marcus? Marcus, as you said, is still a work in progress. If we sign Dooling, that's just another guy from whom he can learn. Why are you so sure that Marcus would have performed well if he had gotten a lot of minutes? You can't prove defense with stats. It's a known fact that Dooling played good defense this season. Ask any Magic fan. You won't find a better player than Dooling right now for the backup guard position. Any suggestions?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh now i'm being accused of being someone else?? Oh this board is getting weirder by the minute</div> When did anyone accuse you? You need to learn to read the post first before replying back. I just said both of you are very similiar in the way you think. That is all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He would be a great addition to the Nets' bench.</div> key word, bench. </div> Did you think they were going to get a starter for about $3mm a season? They have Harris. A back-up is all they need. </div> No, point was Dooling isn't going to start so Nets shouldn't throw him starter money. He would start on the Heat and on other teams so it wouldn't make sense for the Nets to outbid the teams that will be trying to pay him like a starter. If we can get him for cheap then I'm all for it, but if not, signing a vet for the minimum would be the best option.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 14 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He would be a great addition to the Nets' bench.</div> key word, bench. </div> Did you think they were going to get a starter for about $3mm a season? They have Harris. A back-up is all they need. </div> No, point was Dooling isn't going to start so Nets shouldn't throw him starter money. He would start on the Heat and on other teams so it wouldn't make sense for the Nets to outbid the teams that will be trying to pay him like a starter. If we can get him for cheap then I'm all for it, but if not, signing a vet for the minimum would be the best option. </div> The Nets don't have starter money to throw at him, so I don't think that's an issue. Neither does Miami nor Orlando. $2-3mm per season is not starters money.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jul 14 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they already have a back up in Marcus Williams who has better stats. If your going to get rid of Marcus, and bring in another back up shouldn't that new back up be better than the old back up. I want a backup to replace Marcus only if they are better , and are capible of playing starting minutes whenever the nets need him. Dooling is average at best. no thank you also: Marcus has mush more upside than Dooling. I think we've seen all we going to see from Dooling.</div> Dude, Marcus can't defend my grandma. Dooling is one of the best perimeter defenders on the market. As stated on the 1st page, stats aren't everything. Marcus got his stats in (mostly) garbage minutes or against the opposing team's bench, while Dooling got his playing a key role for the Magic. Obviously Dooling isn't going to get much better, but the fact that Marcus has potential that he has yet to prove he can fulfill shouldn't stop us from signing a very solid player. </div> Exactly. We don't need a back-up pg with upside. We need one that can fill a role. Dooling can do these three things: give Harris a breather, come in as a defensive specialist and come in as an extra shooter. He can also fill in for an extended time if Harris gets hurt. We have 25 year old Devin Harris. We don't need a replacement. </div> Why do we need to fill a backup PG role on a team that is not a contender? I'd rather take a gamble.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 14 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He would be a great addition to the Nets' bench.</div> key word, bench. </div> Did you think they were going to get a starter for about $3mm a season? They have Harris. A back-up is all they need. </div> No, point was Dooling isn't going to start so Nets shouldn't throw him starter money. He would start on the Heat and on other teams so it wouldn't make sense for the Nets to outbid the teams that will be trying to pay him like a starter. If we can get him for cheap then I'm all for it, but if not, signing a vet for the minimum would be the best option. </div> The Nets don't have starter money to throw at him, so I don't think that's an issue. Neither does Miami nor Orlando. $2-3mm per season is not starters money. </div> I didn't say it was. That's why I said "other teams." Do you really think the Heat and the Nets are the only teams interested in the best combo guard on the market?
seems like dooling isn't a realistic option, rush is becoming more of a possibility. Hes never seen a shot he didn't like
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 14 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't say it was. That's why I said "other teams." Do you really think the Heat and the Nets are the only teams interested in the best combo guard on the market?</div> Assuming the market includes RFAs, then I'm sure more than just the Heat and Nets are interested in Ben Gordon.
if dooling doesn't accept the nets' $2.5M/yr offer we can always turn around and offer more money to jeff mcinnis!
I think the Nets should call it a day on signings. Marcus is the backup for now, pick up a vet min to round out the roster, by the trade deadline, who knows teams may want to dump contracts to avoid the lux tax, Nets should keep some space open for possible trades, an expiring deal, 2nd round pick, a 2 year deal, a 1st round pick....no 3 year deals. Every spot on the roster has good depth: PG Harris-Williams-(VC) SG VC-CDR-Ager-Hassell SF Simmons-Hayes--Najera PF Williams-Yi-Swift-Anderson C Lopez-Boone That's 15, move Ager if it allows you to take on an additional pick/picks. This is basically a 2 year project.
Harris/Williams Carter/Douglas-Roberts/Ager Simmons/Hayes/Hassell Boone/Jianlian/Najera/Williams/Anderson/Swift Krstic assuming he's kept/Lopez That team probably isn't capable of winning more than 30 games, but that's a nice young bench and it will be interesting to see how this team develops.
Another lottery pick added to the mix, what for summer 2010, there's just 4, VC, SWAT, Najera and Harris, probably assume Yi, Brook, Ryan Anderson. About 42 millon, leaves 17 million assuming the 59 million cap. Not much room if somehow the Nets win the lottery for Lebron. Starting to not like the Najera signing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 14 2008, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 14 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't say it was. That's why I said "other teams." Do you really think the Heat and the Nets are the only teams interested in the best combo guard on the market?</div> Assuming the market includes RFAs, then I'm sure more than just the Heat and Nets are interested in Ben Gordon. </div> ben gordon would be a great pick up... but at what price? i kno the bulls would rather keep kurt and deng... then trade kurt and resign ben and deng... that being said... if harris and ben would start at the 1 and 2... with vc being at the 3... we would hurt defensively cuz bigger 1's or bigger 2's would dominate harris and ben...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 15 2008, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 14 2008, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 14 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't say it was. That's why I said "other teams." Do you really think the Heat and the Nets are the only teams interested in the best combo guard on the market?</div> Assuming the market includes RFAs, then I'm sure more than just the Heat and Nets are interested in Ben Gordon. </div> ben gordon would be a great pick up... but at what price? i kno the bulls would rather keep kurt and deng... then trade kurt and resign ben and deng... that being said... if harris and ben would start at the 1 and 2... with vc being at the 3... we would hurt defensively cuz bigger 1's or bigger 2's would dominate harris and ben... </div> now there is a player i wouldn't mind the nets going after in Kurt.
