<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>General Manager Mitch Kupchak has heard the rumors that Lakers forward Ronny Turiaf received an offer sheet from the Golden State Warriors. He hasn't seen proof, though. Kupchak said Wednesday that he has not received by fax or registered mail notification that Turiaf, a restricted free agent, has signed with another team. "A lot of times where there's smoke, there's fire and I don't know if that's the case here," Kupchak said Wednesday "I'm aware of the rumors, but my understanding of the process is that we have to be notified with a document, and there's been no document or notification — written or verbally." Turiaf reportedly agreed to a four-year, $17 million offer from the Warriors late Tuesday, the first day free agents could sign offers. The Lakers have seven days from the time they receive notification to match the offer. Kupchak was vague when asked if the Lakers would match the offer. "It's not as simple as picking a number. I will say we would like to bring Ronny back. We've told him that. (But) there are a lot of factors that go into making these types of decisions," Kupchak said. Kupchak said discussions with Sasha Vujacic, the Lakers' other restricted free agent, were "ongoing." He added: "Sasha and Ronny are desirable players and there have been inquires from teams for over a year now. Whether anything came yesterday, a week ago or a month ago, I'm going to keep it to myself." Kupchak also questioned whether center Andrew Bynum has been cleared by his doctor to begin training. Last week, Bynum's agent, David Lee, said his client had been given medical clearance by Dr. David Altchek and would start training in two weeks. "I'm not saying what he (Lee) said isn't true," Kupchak said, "I'm saying he has not been cleared."</div> Source: OC Register
Hmmm, I'm kind of wondering if Turiaf is choosing to not show the Lakers until later, so that if they can't find a replacement for him they will match. Clearly the Lakers will have a better shot at a title, are the bigger market, and at least from a S2 perspective was a fan favorite.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gambitnut @ Jul 14 2008, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who is Ronny's agent?</div> Mark Bartelstein
Wait, I don't get it... If Ronny signed an offer with the Warriors, the Lakers need to know the money to match. Isn't it against the rules to have the numbers as a secret? What the hell, now I'm reading Ronny hasn't even signed the offer? Can someone clarify?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 14 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait, I don't get it... If Ronny signed an offer with the Warriors, the Lakers need to know the money to match. Isn't it against the rules to have the numbers as a secret? What the hell, now I'm reading Ronny hasn't even signed the offer? Can someone clarify?</div> It sounds very technical the way Mitch explained the process and maybe he's using this technicality to buy the Lakers more time in having to match the offer. From what I can gather, the 7 day time limit to match doesn't officially begin until the paperwork is shown to Kupchak & Co.
WTF is going on here? Turiaf officially signed the GS offer last Thursday, the Lakers have until the 17th to match as far as I know. Don't understand why they wouldn't send the papers to Mitch.
I don't get why it takes 7 days to match an offer. You get the contract, see the amount of the money, there really isn't much more you can do about it. Probably shouldn't take more than 3 days max IMO
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 14 2008, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't get why it takes 7 days to match an offer. You get the contract, see the amount of the money, there really isn't much more you can do about it. Probably shouldn't take more than 3 days max IMO</div> You've clearly never been in a room with two lawyers before. There's a lot more to these contracts than just the money aspect and lawyers will go back and forth on how they want the contract worded. I guess the confusion is whether or not Turiaf officially signed a deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Jul 15 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 14 2008, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't get why it takes 7 days to match an offer. You get the contract, see the amount of the money, there really isn't much more you can do about it. Probably shouldn't take more than 3 days max IMO</div> You've clearly never been in a room with two lawyers before. There's a lot more to these contracts than just the money aspect and lawyers will go back and forth on how they want the contract worded. I guess the confusion is whether or not Turiaf officially signed a deal. </div> According to every single Warriors article I read circa July 9/10 they all say he signed it on the 10th, officially.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Jul 15 2008, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Jul 15 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 14 2008, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't get why it takes 7 days to match an offer. You get the contract, see the amount of the money, there really isn't much more you can do about it. Probably shouldn't take more than 3 days max IMO</div> You've clearly never been in a room with two lawyers before. There's a lot more to these contracts than just the money aspect and lawyers will go back and forth on how they want the contract worded. I guess the confusion is whether or not Turiaf officially signed a deal. </div> According to every single Warriors article I read circa July 9/10 they all say he signed it on the 10th, officially. </div> I read the same articles, but I'm wondering if there was a mis-communication about what Turiaf actually signed. Maybe it was a marked up contract or something prelim he signed off on. Maybe his agent floated the story out there to increase his client's value. Who knows? I do know these media types mis-interpret information all the time and with the ease of technology in getting a story out, there isn't as much attention spent on fact checking. The trend is to get the story out before anyone else even if it's not entirely accurate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Jul 15 2008, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I read the same articles, but I'm wondering if there was a mis-communication about what Turiaf actually signed. Maybe it was a marked up contract or something prelim he signed off on. Maybe his agent floated the story out there to increase his client's value. Who knows? I do know these media types mis-interpret information all the time and with the ease of technology in getting a story out, there isn't as much attention spent on fact checking. The trend is to get the story out before anyone else even if it's not entirely accurate.</div> According to Chris Mullin via the Warriors' official website, he signed the offer on July 10th: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Golden State Warriors have signed restricted free agent forward Ronny Turiaf to an offer sheet, Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations Chris Mullin announced today. Per team policy, terms of the offer sheet were not announced. Under the rules of the NBA?€™s collective bargaining agreement, the Los Angeles Lakers have seven days (through Thursday, July 17) to match the Warriors?€™ offer.</div> http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/turiaf_offer_sheet.html Also theres this blurb from the LATimes: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak had no comment upon receiving the paperwork. But matching the Warriors' offer would seem a stretch for the Lakers, already over the salary cap and at the tipping point for the luxury tax, to more than quintuple the yearly salary of Turiaf, a reserve who averaged 18.7 minutes last year and only 9.8 in the postseason</div> http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers...story?track=rss BTW Shape the article you posted is from July 9th.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Jul 15 2008, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BTW Shape the article you posted is from July 9th. </div> Shape
Weird, they were talking about this today on the radio and they mentioned it's unclear if Ronny signed yet. According to the Warrior page July 10th is the official date. I guess we'll find out by the 17th if Ronny is still a Laker or not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Jul 15 2008, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Weird, they were talking about this today on the radio and they mentioned it's unclear if Ronny signed yet. According to the Warrior page July 10th is the official date. I guess we'll find out by the 17th if Ronny is still a Laker or not.</div> Turiaf really lost a lot of his production after January. His TS% in February/March was poor, then after that he contributed almost nothing. He didn't get much time in our playoff rotation either. He's expendable, especially at that cost.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 15 2008, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't get why it takes 7 days to match an offer. You get the contract, see the amount of the money, there really isn't much more you can do about it. Probably shouldn't take more than 3 days max IMO</div> Maybe teams like to have time to put feelers out to see how much a replacement for their player would cost and then decide whether to accept it or not?
