Right now the Nets bench seems fine. But the starting lineup is a problem for me. I only feel comfortable with Harris and Carter starting. Krstic could start but his contract status is up in the air. I don't like Simmons starting and would like to trade him as well as Hassell and Swift. Yi I would rather bring off the bench. I desperately want atleast two more quality staters at the SF and PF/C center positions. The trick is getting someone who has 2 years or less on their contract. Harris/? Carter/Hayes/CDR ?/Najera ?/Yi/Anderson ?/Lopez/ Players and assets to use in a trade: 3 million dollar trade exception 2 future first round picks Young guys: Marcus Williams Sean Williams Josh Boone Expiring contracts: Stromile Swift Keith Van Horn Contract filler: Trenton Hassell Bobby Simmons Sing and trade possibilities: Nenad Krstic Bostjan Nachbar Here are some (really) good players from around the league that have contracts two years or shorter. Some of them the Nets have a slim to none chance of getting but I still believe in miracles. I just want to obtain two more good starters with what the Nets have to trade: Swingmen: Manu Ginobli Josh Howard Ron Artest Travis outlaw Raja Bell Richard Hamilton Hedo Turkoglu Shaw Marion Mike Miller Marvin Williams Joe Johnson Stephen Jackson Big guys: Marcus Camby Drew Gooden Zrdrunas Ilgauskas Anderson Varejao Shaquille O'Neil Brad Miller Carlos Boozer Rasheed Wallace Antonio McDyess Udonis Haslem Chis Wilcox Al Harrington Lamar Odom
Yi will start. and he will do very well. 13/7 at least. Anedrson and Najera will back him up I think. We have 3 new SFs in Hayes Simmons and Najera (SF-PF). I'm affraid one of these 3 will start at 3, but there is no way i could agree more, that we need a starting SF. And I'd love Nocioni for that. as for starting C, we clearly need someone. Brook is nice, but he is our only legit C, and he will do fine with 20 mpg, but not more. if Krstic signs for cheap, I'm fine with him. Camby would be great though. I really hope we can get Dooling or Pargo too as FA. They can backup both guard positions. for a starting C and a SF, we can give up Marcus, Boone, Sean, Stro, Hassell, KVH, and maybe Ager, with resigned Krstic and maybe even Boki. If Boone doesn't look valuable in trades, he can stay as a 3rd string C, but I think we will have to use him, and get some big stiff as a 3rd C. Lore Woods was just waived i think that would be nice...
Hayes isn't a SF, he is a PF and is good for gritty defense and grabbing boards, and taking open layups. Najera can probably be quick enough defensively against some of the bigger and less agile SFs I guess like Lamar Odom, Kirilenko, Harpring, Tayshawn, Powe, Battier, S. Jax, Peja, Turkoglue, Bowen. But guys like J-Rich, Gerald Wallace, RJ, Marion, Tmac, Lebron, Paul Pierce, Josh Howard, Butler, Iguodala are too quick for him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 15 2008, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hayes isn't a SF, he is a PF and is good for gritty defense and grabbing boards, and taking open layups. Najera can probably be quick enough defensively against some of the bigger and less agile SFs I guess like Lamar Odom, Kirilenko, Harpring, Tayshawn, Powe, Battier, S. Jax, Peja, Turkoglue, Bowen. But guys like J-Rich, Gerald Wallace, RJ, Marion, Tmac, Lebron, Paul Pierce, Josh Howard, Butler, Iguodala are too quick for him.</div> Hayes is a SF. Did you mean Najera isn't a SF?
he is probably thinking about chuck hayes on the rockets... jarvis is no pf at all. i can't see him play too much sg either. i hope he is not our starting sf though...
lol I was totally thinking Chuck Hayes, not Jarvis Hayes. The signing totally makes sense now. Sorry about the confusion. Well in that case he is a nice fit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 16 2008, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What about a trade of Bobby Simmons and Yi for Richard Jefferson?</div> Very nice... can't wait for that to happen.... what goes around comes back around...
Najera can't gaurd small forwards? hhmm never knew that... anyway, why would the nets want to get better? They need to go into full out rebuilding mode and should be trading Carter for expiring contracts and picks. If the Nets can't land a bigtime free agent in 2010 they are screwed. The sixers got lucky by prying away Elton Brand from the Clippers, and that doesn't happen often. The good teams, rebuild with good young talent and cap space, and look for free agents at the same time. Not try to semi compete for the last playoff spot and hope to land a free agent in a couple years. Because if they don't they are stuck with the same crappy team, and middle round draft picks. Acquiring a young big man that will be a solid contributer in a couple years to put with Harris and Lebron/Amare/Bosh etc., would be the way to go.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Najera can't gaurd small forwards? hhmm never knew that... anyway, why would the nets want to get better? They need to go into full out rebuilding mode and should be trading Carter for expiring contracts and picks. If the Nets can't land a bigtime free agent in 2010 they are screwed. The sixers got lucky by prying away Elton Brand from the Clippers, and that doesn't happen often. The good teams, rebuild with good young talent and cap space, and look for free agents at the same time. Not try to semi compete for the last playoff spot and hope to land a free agent in a couple years. Because if they don't they are stuck with the same crappy team, and middle round draft picks. Acquiring a young big man that will be a solid contributer in a couple years to put with Harris and Lebron/Amare/Bosh etc., would be the way to go.</div> Because why would a big-time free agent want to come to a team that looks like complete garbage? A big time free agent wants to come to a team that is near the top of the hill so they can come in and push them over. Like Brand may have done with the Sixers. Like Shaq did with the Heat. The Nets have plenty of young talent, especially big men. They don't need to get any younger as they are what the 4th youngest team ever? As the Nets stand right now, they will have enough money to go after a big time free agent WITH VINCE CARTER still on the team. Trading Vince Carter will make this team look very undesireable for any free agent to come here.
why trade vince? give vince a shot at him "owning the team" this is vince's team... and look at him show up at summer league games to show support... hes excited... and we all kno what VC can do when motivated
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 15 2008, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why trade vince? give vince a shot at him "owning the team" this is vince's team... and look at him show up at summer league games to show support... hes excited... and we all kno what VC can do when motivated </div> I don't think Vince wants to own the team. I think he'd rather be the #2 guy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 15 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Najera can't gaurd small forwards? hhmm never knew that... anyway, why would the nets want to get better? They need to go into full out rebuilding mode and should be trading Carter for expiring contracts and picks. If the Nets can't land a bigtime free agent in 2010 they are screwed. The sixers got lucky by prying away Elton Brand from the Clippers, and that doesn't happen often. The good teams, rebuild with good young talent and cap space, and look for free agents at the same time. Not try to semi compete for the last playoff spot and hope to land a free agent in a couple years. Because if they don't they are stuck with the same crappy team, and middle round draft picks. Acquiring a young big man that will be a solid contributer in a couple years to put with Harris and Lebron/Amare/Bosh etc., would be the way to go.</div> Because why would a big-time free agent want to come to a team that looks like complete garbage? A big time free agent wants to come to a team that is near the top of the hill so they can come in and push them over. Like Brand may have done with the Sixers. Like Shaq did with the Heat. The Nets have plenty of young talent, especially big men. They don't need to get any younger as they are what the 4th youngest team ever? As the Nets stand right now, they will have enough money to go after a big time free agent WITH VINCE CARTER still on the team. Trading Vince Carter will make this team look very undesireable for any free agent to come here. </div> The Sixers were near the top of the hill?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 15 2008, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why trade vince? give vince a shot at him "owning the team" this is vince's team... and look at him show up at summer league games to show support... hes excited... and we all kno what VC can do when motivated </div> I don't think Vince wants to own the team. I think he'd rather be the #2 guy. </div> Back when Kidd was here he was ok with being the #2 guy, but now that kidd and RJ are gone he is expected and expects to be the #1 guy. Its VC's real chance to prove he's a leader. What he did at summer camp was a step in the right direction. This may be vince's toughest year as a pro, and i wonder if he's up to the challange. Who knows maybe Vince will be the new triple double leader on this team... Oh yeah go nets!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 15 2008, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why trade vince? give vince a shot at him "owning the team" this is vince's team... and look at him show up at summer league games to show support... hes excited... and we all kno what VC can do when motivated </div> I don't think Vince wants to own the team. I think he'd rather be the #2 guy. </div> I think that only applies when there is another dominant personality around for him to defer to. The most interesting thing about this season is that all the alpha dogs are gone and the atmosphere is perfect for a less assertive guy like Vince to really set the tone. I'm very curious to see how that plays out, but the way he's handled things so far has been really great.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 15 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Najera can't gaurd small forwards? hhmm never knew that... anyway, why would the nets want to get better? They need to go into full out rebuilding mode and should be trading Carter for expiring contracts and picks. If the Nets can't land a bigtime free agent in 2010 they are screwed. The sixers got lucky by prying away Elton Brand from the Clippers, and that doesn't happen often. The good teams, rebuild with good young talent and cap space, and look for free agents at the same time. Not try to semi compete for the last playoff spot and hope to land a free agent in a couple years. Because if they don't they are stuck with the same crappy team, and middle round draft picks. Acquiring a young big man that will be a solid contributer in a couple years to put with Harris and Lebron/Amare/Bosh etc., would be the way to go.</div> Because why would a big-time free agent want to come to a team that looks like complete garbage? A big time free agent wants to come to a team that is near the top of the hill so they can come in and push them over. Like Brand may have done with the Sixers. Like Shaq did with the Heat. The Nets have plenty of young talent, especially big men. They don't need to get any younger as they are what the 4th youngest team ever? As the Nets stand right now, they will have enough money to go after a big time free agent WITH VINCE CARTER still on the team. Trading Vince Carter will make this team look very undesireable for any free agent to come here. </div> The Sixers were near the top of the hill? </div> I think the point was that they were a young team that was competing and made the playoffs. That's what attracted Brand. They weren't a team with a bunch of children full of potential.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 15 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 15 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Najera can't gaurd small forwards? hhmm never knew that... anyway, why would the nets want to get better? They need to go into full out rebuilding mode and should be trading Carter for expiring contracts and picks. If the Nets can't land a bigtime free agent in 2010 they are screwed. The sixers got lucky by prying away Elton Brand from the Clippers, and that doesn't happen often. The good teams, rebuild with good young talent and cap space, and look for free agents at the same time. Not try to semi compete for the last playoff spot and hope to land a free agent in a couple years. Because if they don't they are stuck with the same crappy team, and middle round draft picks. Acquiring a young big man that will be a solid contributer in a couple years to put with Harris and Lebron/Amare/Bosh etc., would be the way to go.</div> Because why would a big-time free agent want to come to a team that looks like complete garbage? A big time free agent wants to come to a team that is near the top of the hill so they can come in and push them over. Like Brand may have done with the Sixers. Like Shaq did with the Heat. The Nets have plenty of young talent, especially big men. They don't need to get any younger as they are what the 4th youngest team ever? As the Nets stand right now, they will have enough money to go after a big time free agent WITH VINCE CARTER still on the team. Trading Vince Carter will make this team look very undesireable for any free agent to come here. </div> The Sixers were near the top of the hill? </div> I think the point was that they were a young team that was competing and made the playoffs. That's what attracted Brand. They weren't a team with a bunch of children full of potential. </div>I think the bigger factors were the money and the organization being heaps better than the Clippers. The Sixers won 40 games, big deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 15 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 15 2008, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 15 2008, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why trade vince? give vince a shot at him "owning the team" this is vince's team... and look at him show up at summer league games to show support... hes excited... and we all kno what VC can do when motivated </div> I don't think Vince wants to own the team. I think he'd rather be the #2 guy. </div> I think that only applies when there is another dominant personality around for him to defer to. The most interesting thing about this season is that all the alpha dogs are gone and the atmosphere is perfect for a less assertive guy like Vince to really set the tone. I'm very curious to see how that plays out, but the way he's handled things so far has been really great. </div> Totally agree. Should be interesting and a more team oriented approach rather than the whole "big 3" thing. Vince knows he'll be needed to score more AND create for others, which is something I think he takes a lot more pride with in the last couple years than ever before. He's older and more mature. We all change over time and right now this could be a situation that comes at just the right time and brings the best out of him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Uneek @ Jul 15 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 16 2008, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What about a trade of Bobby Simmons and Yi for Richard Jefferson?</div> Very nice... can't wait for that to happen.... what goes around comes back around... </div> hehe，i thinks so，may be Yi will become another Dirk。。。。
