The Nets have Vince who is best as a half court iso, pick and roll or post up player. They also have Harris who is a blur and is best attacking the basket and not being dared to shoot the ball. Now they have added Yi who could fit in either a half court offense because of his versatility or a higher tempo offense because of his ball handling. Lopez is pretty much a half court center while Anderson's shooting could fit into either tempo. What do you think Frank is going to do?
The guys we've added lately make more sense in a fast-paced offense, but slow paced teams tend to have better success, and we've got pieces that could be able to do that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 16 2008, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets have Vince who is best as a half court iso, pick and roll or post up player. They also have Harris who is a blur and is best attacking the basket and not being dared to shoot the ball. Now they have added Yi who could fit in either a half court offense because of his versatility or a higher tempo offense because of his ball handling. Lopez is pretty much a half court center while Anderson's shooting could fit into either tempo. What do you think Frank is going to do?</div> Before the draft, and RJ trade, I thought we would be going to a very up-tempo style of basketball. But after the last couple of weeks, I think we will be sticking with Mr. Frank's vintage offense. We have slashers, and we have shooters. So I think we have a good combination of players. The team is just lacking on experience and overall talent. I like us in the half-court with a line up of: DH (slasher) Vince (slasher, shooter, post up) Anderson (shooter) Yi (shooter) Lopez (post up) Obviously, we won't be starting two rookies to begin the year, but I'm excited to see how everything plays out.
Have Harris probe on every missed shot where there's a quick outlet, the proverbial "hurry up and be patient" scenario. While he can certainly benefit from other runners, he doesn't need any to be a threat on the fast break. He should exploit his end to end speed whenever feasible, but the team as a whole should run more opportunistically, IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 16 2008, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The guys we've added lately make more sense in a fast-paced offense, but slow paced teams tend to have better success, and we've got pieces that could be able to do that.</div> How do you figure that? Brook Lopez makes no sense in a fast paced offense
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 16 2008, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 16 2008, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The guys we've added lately make more sense in a fast-paced offense, but slow paced teams tend to have better success, and we've got pieces that could be able to do that.</div> How do you figure that? Brook Lopez makes no sense in a fast paced offense </div> well, besides Brook really. Yi, Harris, Anderson, CDR, Najera, Hayes all seem like they're more of a running group. So they'll probably start running when Vince and Brook sit, but if either are on the floor they'll slow it down. at least thats what I'd guess.
Low tempo, half court set offense, but we should try to go on fast breaks after every long rebound. We have the tools to do well in a fast break offense, but I think that we've got enough shooters and post up players to succeed in a low tempo set game as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Accelerate @ Jul 16 2008, 04:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Speed things up once Carter's out. How's Lopez' outlet passing?</div> He has to learn to get the rebound first.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 16 2008, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Have Harris probe on every missed shot where there's a quick outlet, the proverbial "hurry up and be patient" scenario. While he can certainly benefit from other runners, he doesn't need any to be a threat on the fast break. He should exploit his end to end speed whenever feasible, but the team as a whole should run more opportunistically, IMO.</div> I agree with this. Opportunistic running. I think they will be emphasizing defense more this year, which is easier to do when you have shooters and don't need to design an offense to get shots for only 2 guys. I think the vast majority of their energy will be spent on defense and running after every missed shots. The other rest will be spent in a slower half court offense. The extra bench depth will be a key to this style and keeping guys fresh. The thing that will determine their success is whether all these guys grasp the plan and have a clear defined role within it.
problem is vc doesn't like to run period. He had Jason Kidd and RJ who love to run and vince doesn't and still doesn't like to run. So most likely unless vc gets injured, the nets will do mostly half court sets.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 16 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>problem is vc doesn't like to run period. He had Jason Kidd and RJ who love to run and vince doesn't and still doesn't like to run. So most likely unless vc gets injured, the nets will do mostly half court sets.</div> wen Vince decided to run we were one of the best teams in the nba we had that 14 game winning streak in 05-06
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 16 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>problem is vc doesn't like to run period. He had Jason Kidd and RJ who love to run and vince doesn't and still doesn't like to run. So most likely unless vc gets injured, the nets will do mostly half court sets.</div> Nets1, I'm not aiming this reply particularly at you but rather using your post as a jumping off point to address some misconceptions about VC's game. I wonder how it's possible for Vince to get all those hilight reel fast break alley-oops, dunks, and fancy layups we see on ESPN if he never runs? Also, has anyone ever tried to chart the number of times he's assisted a fast break basket with a pass or hit the open 3 as a fastbreak trailer whose role was to space the floor and make the opponent pay for guarding the paint at the expense of the perimeter? Cliches are easy. Honest evaluation is tough because it requires work and attention. Vince is not Richard Jefferson. He's not going to immediately release in an all-out sprint every time the opponent misses a shot, partly because he is mindful that you can't fast break until you secure a rebound. (Consider his rebounding numbers in relation to the Kittles and Jeffersons of the world before lamenting that he "doesn't run".) That said, it's a fallacy to portray that he doesn't run at all or is somehow so averse to it that he impedes a team who wants to fast break. I would argue that Vince is a very intelligent runner in that he pours on his top speed judciously, when it has a better chance of actually helping his team produce a layup or foul. I Tivo every Nets game and, at the end of the season, cull game hilights. My tapes are replete with instances of Carter finishing the fastbreak, keying the fastbreak with a brilliantly fast outlet (a very underrated part of his game), assisting a fastbreak layup, running hard so as to be a finishing option and thus a big reason that a teammate wound up with a fastbreak layup, and hitting a wide open three as the trailer on a fastbreak. ALL of these are crucial contributions to the success of a fastbreak offense, and you would be hardpressed to find a Nets game where Vince hasn't played one or more of these roles in at least 8-10 possessions a game, some probably double that. But of course noticing all that requires an open mind and a reliance more upon individual thinking than upon cliches.
its simple... if we get a rebound push the ball... if the opposing team makes their shot and we have to inbound or they stop our fast break run the sets like memphis's dribble motion offense ask cdr bout it
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 16 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 16 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>problem is vc doesn't like to run period. He had Jason Kidd and RJ who love to run and vince doesn't and still doesn't like to run. So most likely unless vc gets injured, the nets will do mostly half court sets.</div> Nets1, I'm not aiming this reply particularly at you but rather using your post as a jumping off point to address some misconceptions about VC's game. I wonder how it's possible for Vince to get all those hilight reel fast break alley-oops, dunks, and fancy layups we see on ESPN if he never runs? Also, has anyone ever tried to chart the number of times he's assisted a fast break basket with a pass or hit the open 3 as a fastbreak trailer whose role was to space the floor and make the opponent pay for guarding the paint at the expense of the perimeter? Cliches are easy. Honest evaluation is tough because it requires work and attention. Vince is not Richard Jefferson. He's not going to immediately release in an all-out sprint every time the opponent misses a shot, partly because he is mindful that you can't fast break until you secure a rebound. (Consider his rebounding numbers in relation to the Kittles and Jeffersons of the world before lamenting that he "doesn't run".) That said, it's a fallacy to portray that he doesn't run at all or is somehow so averse to it that he impedes a team who wants to fast break. I would argue that Vince is a very intelligent runner in that he pours on his top speed judciously, when it has a better chance of actually helping his team produce a layup or foul. I Tivo every Nets game and, at the end of the season, cull game hilights. My tapes are replete with instances of Carter finishing the fastbreak, keying the fastbreak with a brilliantly fast outlet (a very underrated part of his game), assisting a fastbreak layup, running hard so as to be a finishing option and thus a big reason that a teammate wound up with a fastbreak layup, and hitting a wide open three as the trailer on a fastbreak. ALL of these are crucial contributions to the success of a fastbreak offense, and you would be hardpressed to find a Nets game where Vince hasn't played one or more of these roles in at least 8-10 possessions a game, some probably double that. But of course noticing all that requires an open mind and a reliance more upon individual thinking than upon cliches. </div> well said... people really under-estimate all that vince does so WELL for this team...
I think it depends on who starts at Small forward. Boone and Lopez can run some and Lopez is a pretty good passer. They both can do well in either a half court or up tempo game, but both may be better in the half court. If Najera starts at SF it makes more sense to slow it down and if Hayes or Simmons starts at SF it makes more sense to speed it up.
I'd personally say it depends on who's on the court - if a combo of Brook/Nads/Boone is out there with...let's say Marcus, Vince, and Simmons, I don't see much of a potential to be a good running team. However, if Devin/Vince/Anderson/Sean/Yi are out there, they damn better run at every opportunity possible.
