<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 21 2008, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Notice in the youtube clip that Marcus gives and accepts a very muted "low 5" from Boone after the play. Then RJ comes charging in like a ram to chest butt him, and Marcus wanted no part of it. If the clip had continued past the point where Carter comes over, you'd have seen that Marcus was amused when he turned around, presumably after explaining himself to Carter. Since he's had to publicly defend the fact that he's just not a "rah, rah" guy prone to thumping his chest after every decent play, I suspect that he was light-heartedly expressing his individuality in that moment, letting his older teammates know that he doesn't think an "and 1" in the middle of a regular season Hawks game is a pinnacle achievement worth risking cracked ribs over. I actually think it showed a refreshing bit of autonomy and willingness for him to be his own person and not to have to conform to idiotic standards of what it means to be "intense" about the game. I watched Larry Bird his entire career, and I can count on one hand the number of times he ever did more than offer a "5" to a teammate with "matter of fact" demeanor. Ditto for Robert Parish, Reggie Lewis, and practically every other player on those Celtics teams up through the mid 90s. Of course this orgy of self-congratulations that is on display in every NBA game nowadays is a relatively modern phenomenon, and Marcus is, in this and other respects, a true "throwback". There's nothing inherently wrong with that. He should not have to have his square personality force fed into a round hole any more than a chest thumper like Garnett should be expected to adopt the on-court demeanor of John Stockton or any more than Vince Carter should be forced to get tatoos. ghoti, you aren't present at Nets practices. You aren't in their locker room. You aren't in their huddles. You have no clue as to the nature of the personal exchanges between the players in the myriad hours they spend together in hotels, restaurants, planes, and other places, and you are afforded only a visual glimpse at their interactions in actual games (and then only what cameras reveal to you.) You are taking one or two oncourt interractions, which unambiguously only prove that Williams isn't excitable on the court, and are attempting to make sweeping character assessments of him in areas that have no logical connection to those behaviors or predilections. How on earth can you say that because he eschews a chest bump that he "blames others for his failures"???? Why does being low key have to mean that he is "selfish and pouting" instead of that he is simply not comfortable with ostentatious emotion? Based on what we can see of games over television, has he ever isolated himself on the bench (as many players have done) when he's been removed from the game? (No.) Has he ever ignored his coaches when they've been presumably conveying something to him about the actual game? (No.) Does he make eye contact with them and appear to listen when they are talking to him? (Yes.) Has he ever been in anyone's face in a game or on the bench? (No.) Does he offer and accept low-key 5s to players returning to the bench or when he returns there himself? (Yes.) He's not your kind of guy, obviously, and that's fine. But you are grossly overreaching when you draw character conclusions such as you've drawn based on the scant evidence before you. I won't spend time on the patently absurd notion that he has often been one of the leagues' worst players the past two years. You need to watch more games if you think that's the case. And, finally, nothing in in this article from today supports your position. Quite the opposite, in fact.</div> Well Said!!! I can't wait until the next summer league starts today with Marcus williams starting and defending himself with his actions on court. I too still am a Marcus Williams fan, and believe he will be a star in this next summer league. There is nothing wrong with having a cool attitude when leading a team. Lets go nets, lets go Marcus!!!
I think, sadly, it's too little, too late for Marcus. His D, and lack there of, is what's killing him. That and Frank doesn't like him. He's a goner IMO. The Nets just hope he plays well so he can get more value.
Actually, I like the same things about Marcus now as I did originally. I think he sees the game slowly and has a innate gift for getting teammates the ball in advantageous positions. He also has good size and his jumper has to be respected by his man.
Of course after watching him pout and suck rocks for two years that stuff really doesn't mean all that much anymore.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 21 2008, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Unfortunately your particular brand of condescension is contagious enough that it's infected others here. And I suppose its infected me as well in that this is the only forum I visit where I feel compelled to defensively engage in anything close to this kind of discourtesy. With folks like you in charge, it's no wonder the place has a stubborn stench. And make no mistake: if it weren't for the fact that I've not found an alternative Nets forum with folks the caliber of Petey, netted, reganomics, astral, dumpy, and even ghoti and the perennially sour NI (who manages to confine his real rancor to another board), I would not be here. It's the busiest virtual Nets pub that hosts anything close to meaningful team conversation, even if one of its bartenders is a total asshole.</div> Its truly a shame but cest la vie. This is an Internet forum. To be sardonic or sarcastic, and indeed insulting and downright rude, are the tools of choice for anonymous internet posters. Back to the topic at hand....Is this the best Nets bench in years or what...For those that yearned for the fastbreaking Kerry Kittles days, this must be an exciting time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 21 2008, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>*OFFICIAL**</div> Done Deal: Dooling’s a Net
