<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nets Daily)</div><div class='quotemain'> Marcus Not Giving Up July 21, 2008, 4:17 am Marcus Williams knows the score, knows that Keyon Dooling is likely to join the club today as a back-up combo guard, knows that his name has been floated in trade rumors. That doesn’t mean it’s true, he’ll tell you. Williams thinks there is still a role for him on the Nets, arguing Dooling will be backing up Vince Carter and leaving him minutes behind Devin Harris. He intends to make his argument on the court. Marcus sees job fight - Fred Kerber - New York Post</div> Talk is cheap, and I'm not holding my breath through training camp.
so much hate for Marcus. Once he becomes a 17-8 guy for another team all you guys will be saying "I always knew he'll be a star. Thorn is an idiot why did he trade him. Imagine if we kept him."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 21 2008, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so much hate for Marcus. Once he becomes a 17-8 guy for another team all you guys will be saying "I always knew he'll be a star. Thorn is an idiot why did he trade him. Imagine if we kept him."</div> D League stats don't count
He's bothered by the fact that the Nets are going to give Keyon Dooling 10 million dollars to do the job the Marcus' wants to do, but hasn't worked hard enough for it.
There are a lot of idiots on this board...Marcus is talented as hell and only 22 years old. He was injured most of last year and spent all of his first year backing up Jason Kidd who played a lot of minutes. I still think this kid will be a very good nba starter...maybe not an allstar but still very good.
If someone could explain to me why he still has hope in Marcus Williams, I would really love to hear it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ Jul 21 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If someone could explain to me why he still has hope in Marcus Williams, I would really love to hear it.</div> He clearly has offensive talent, he constantly acknowledges that he has defensive deficiencies that need to improve, his biggest problems seem to be confidence related, and he sometimes plays like he's overwhelmed, which is common for young point guards and tends to improve as they get older. He's really not a hopeless player. He's got the talent to be an NBA point guard, it's just not clear whether his head will be level enough to ever run an NBA offense. That's something that can improve - therefore, there's still some hope. I personally don't think he's going to ever amount to anything in Jersey, but I could see him becoming a good backup, possibly even a starter on another team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ Jul 21 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If someone could explain to me why he still has hope in Marcus Williams, I would really love to hear it.</div> Marcus is entering his 3rd NBA season, yet is only 22 years old. He is very talented, having better court vision than any player currently on the Nets roster, He has an underrated shot and actually showed a pretty good stroke that with fine tuning could help stretch the defense of the opposing team. He is a superb passer, note that when he passes to a big man in the block they recieve the pass around there from the waist up...something are bigs didn't previously get from Jason Kidd recently. Yes his defense is suspect, but it seemed that towards the end of the season he was playing harder defensively and was trying to commit to being a better defensive player...his recent weight loss may help him gain quickness necessary to improving this aspect of his game. He may have had character issues coming out of the draft, but he seems to have grown up recently and by all accounts is doing the right things, saying the right things and trying to make himself a better basketball player. I'm sorry but I don't see what's wrong with wanting to give this kid a chance...he has the talent and seems to be willing to work...why not let him?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jul 21 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ Jul 21 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If someone could explain to me why he still has hope in Marcus Williams, I would really love to hear it.</div> He clearly has offensive talent, he constantly acknowledges that he has defensive deficiencies that need to improve, his biggest problems seem to be confidence related, and he sometimes plays like he's overwhelmed, which is common for young point guards and tends to improve as they get older. He's really not a hopeless player. He's got the talent to be an NBA point guard, it's just not clear whether his head will be level enough to ever run an NBA offense. That's something that can improve - therefore, there's still some hope. I personally don't think he's going to ever amount to anything in Jersey, but I could see him becoming a good backup, possibly even a starter on another team. </div> He has been in the NBA for two seasons and what weaknesses has he improved upon? At this point, it goes beyond talent and to what he has upstairs and in his heart. Youth is no longer an excuse.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jul 21 2008, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ Jul 21 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If someone could explain to me why he still has hope in Marcus Williams, I would really love to hear it.</div> Marcus is entering his 3rd NBA season, yet is only 22 years old. He is very talented, having better court vision than any player currently on the Nets roster, He has an underrated shot and actually showed a pretty good stroke that with fine tuning could help stretch the defense of the opposing team. He is a superb passer, note that when he passes to a big man in the block they recieve the pass around there from the waist up...something are bigs didn't previously get from Jason Kidd recently. Yes his defense is suspect, but it seemed that towards the end of the season he was playing harder defensively and was trying to commit to being a better defensive player...his recent weight loss may help him gain quickness necessary to improving this aspect of his game. He may have had character issues coming out of the draft, but he seems to have grown up recently and by all accounts is doing the right things, saying the right things and trying to make himself a better basketball player. I'm sorry but I don't see what's wrong with wanting to give this kid a chance...he has the talent and seems to be willing to work...why not let him? </div> omg... i am with you on this... i believe in marcus and i really think he should be the one backin up devin... i think he and devin can be the perfect compliment to each other... and last year when u had both of em on the court it didnt hurt. give the kid this season... hes healthy... and supposedly in better shape.
I like Marcus fine. He's done pretty well for a young player when given heavy minutes. I remember he put up 25 pts, 4 assists, and 2 steals against the Bulls in 38 minutes one game. He's no superstar or anything, but for where he was drafted, he was a steal. He can play.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 21 2008, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like Marcus fine. He's done pretty well for a young player when given heavy minutes. I remember he put up 25 pts, 4 assists, and 2 steals against the Bulls in 38 minutes one game. He's no superstar or anything, but for where he was drafted, he was a steal. He can play.</div> Well you identified the problem
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 21 2008, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 21 2008, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like Marcus fine. He's done pretty well for a young player when given heavy minutes. I remember he put up 25 pts, 4 assists, and 2 steals against the Bulls in 38 minutes one game. He's no superstar or anything, but for where he was drafted, he was a steal. He can play.</div> Well you identified the problem </div> 2 games earlier, 13 assists in 34 minutes.
these are marcus' career numbers when he starts. It's only been nine games but hes solid for a young guy 9 games 31:18 minutes 4.3 fgm 11.1 fga 39.0% 1.7 3pm 3.8 3pa 44.1 3p% 1.4 fta 1.9 ftm 76.5 ft % 0.6 o-reb 3.4 d-reb 4.0 reb 6.3- assists 3.0 to 1.0 steal 11.8 ppg
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I like Marcus fine.</div>-guy great, so what do you want for him then?
Marcus has God-given ability but lacks basketball IQ and drive. But to say youth is not an excuse for someone who is entering only their third NBA season and is at the ripe old age of 22 years is absurd. Like I said in a previous post, everything has been handed to him on a silver platter. This is the first year hes truly being shown the door and I would like to wait one more year to see whether he has anything to prove. If he shows up this year, stinks the joint, then let his rookie contract expire.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 21 2008, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jul 21 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ Jul 21 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If someone could explain to me why he still has hope in Marcus Williams, I would really love to hear it.</div> He clearly has offensive talent, he constantly acknowledges that he has defensive deficiencies that need to improve, his biggest problems seem to be confidence related, and he sometimes plays like he's overwhelmed, which is common for young point guards and tends to improve as they get older. He's really not a hopeless player. He's got the talent to be an NBA point guard, it's just not clear whether his head will be level enough to ever run an NBA offense. That's something that can improve - therefore, there's still some hope. I personally don't think he's going to ever amount to anything in Jersey, but I could see him becoming a good backup, possibly even a starter on another team. </div> He has been in the NBA for two seasons and what weaknesses has he improved upon? At this point, it goes beyond talent and to what he has upstairs and in his heart. Youth is no longer an excuse. </div> Has he generally idled, or even regressed? Sure. He also was coming off surgery, and was entering the most dysfunctional clubhouse in the league. I think you're right to say that right now, youth is no longer an excuse. I DO, however, think it was a valid excuse for LAST year. You seem to be saying he's out of chances - I think he has one left. I think he gets at least until the beginning of trading season to show some improvement. Everyone keeps saying he has 0 trade value. Well, we're not winning anything next year, so we might as well give him a chance to play - it's a lot more likely his trade value would increase rather than decrease.
