http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24070088-13762,00.html Moon-walker claims alien contact cover-up July 24, 2008 12:01am FORMER NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens exist. And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions - but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades. Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.' He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head. Chillingly, he claimed our technology is "not nearly as sophisticated" as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned "we would be been gone by now". Dr Mitchell, along with with Apollo 14 commander Alan Shepard, holds the record for the longest ever moon walk, at nine hours and 17 minutes following their 1971 mission. "I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real," Dr Mitchell said. "It's been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it's leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it. "I've been in military and intelligence circles, who know that beneath the surface of what has been public knowledge, yes - we have been visited. Reading the papers recently, it's been happening quite a bit." Dr Mitchell, who has a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering and a Doctor of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics claimed Roswell was real and similar alien visits continue to be investigated. He told the astonished Kerrang! radio host Nick Margerrison: "This is really starting to open up. I think we're headed for real disclosure and some serious organisations are moving in that direction." Mr Margerrison said: "I thought I'd stumbled on some sort of astronaut humour but he was absolutely serious that aliens are definitely out there and there's no debating it." Officials from NASA, however, were quick to play the comments down. In a statement, a spokesman said: "NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in the universe. 'Dr Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this issue.'
It's gotta be a fact now that aliens exist. What matters is in what form - ex. are they human-like? Microorganisms? Plants, even? I still don't really see the point in covering all this stuff up. As for this guy, I'm not even reading the article...it's hard to know who to believe, so I wouldn't take this with a grain of salt even if I did read it (I think that's the expression..?).
I believe there's life out there somewhere, but could it be age for Dr Mitchell, now finally that he's decided to talk? Where was he the past 30 years?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jul 24 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I believe there's life out there somewhere, but could it be age for Dr Mitchell, now finally that he's decided to talk? Where was he the past 30 years?</div> Trying not to get killed by the gov't
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jul 24 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I believe there's life out there somewhere, but could it be age for Dr Mitchell, now finally that he's decided to talk? Where was he the past 30 years?</div> Trying not to get killed by the gov't </div> Whats stopping them now?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jul 24 2008, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jul 24 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I believe there's life out there somewhere, but could it be age for Dr Mitchell, now finally that he's decided to talk? Where was he the past 30 years?</div> Trying not to get killed by the gov't </div> Whats stopping them now? </div> He's 77...at this point he's probably like, f*** it, Imma die soon anyways
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jul 24 2008, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jul 24 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I believe there's life out there somewhere, but could it be age for Dr Mitchell, now finally that he's decided to talk? Where was he the past 30 years?</div> Trying not to get killed by the gov't </div> Whats stopping them now? </div> He's 77...at this point he's probably like, f*** it, Imma die soon anyways </div> Could be haha. Wish we'd see them (the aliens) in our lifetime.
Funny. I don't think there's life out there, though I could be convinced there is if we actually found some. Drake's Equation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation) is an attempt to plug guestimates into a formula that might predict the number of intelligent races in our galaxy. Drake himself plugged in numbers that got him a value of 10. There are a number of WWW sites that let you plug in your own numbers, via a WWW form, and it shows you the result of the equation; when I plug in my guestimates, I get numbers like .0001. I have a lot of issues with the formula, tho. It's designed to prove there is life, which is not necessarily a fair proposition. Oddly, there's no evidence, whatsoever, of life anywhere but Earth. Sure, we haven't explored anywhere outside our solar system, so the sample is small. The thing is, what we can see is that life took hold here, and there's literally billions of species; once it takes hold, it sure grows like a wildfire. Life here on Earth has historically altered the environment; early plant life converted an atmosphere that was almost all CO2 into one that we can breathe, for example. If there was any kind of life anywhere in our solar system, I think it'd be obvious - like some kind of life that's green/plants/moss that would be visible on planet surfaces with a telescope. Why does science tell us that the laws of physics/nature are the same everywhere in the universe, yet when it comes to life, they have to tell us that the laws of physics/nature are not the same everywhere when it comes to life. If the laws are the same everywhere, then life is carbon based, like us and every living thing on the planet. There's no evidence, again, whatsoever that there is any other basis for life. If you look at the entire universe, there sure is a nearly unimaginable number of stars and solar systems; the appeal to believe there is life out there is one based upon odds or probability. Yet that probability could easily be so closed to zero that life here is something of a miraculous roll of the dice. Then there's the nature of the planet itself. There are a wide number of variables that make Earth suitable for life that really cut down the likelihood that there is life elsewhere. Scientists tell us that 60% of all the star systems out there are at least binary (2 stars orbiting one another); Earth orbits a single star. Knock out 60% of that vast number of galaxies. Earth has a distinctly large moon in relation to the planet, compared with other planets we know about. Our moon has an extraordinary influence on making life possible, from establishing the tides to keeping the planet from wobbling on its axis in a way that life could not survive. We have no way to know for certain just how rare this planet/moon relationship is, though what we do know is that it sure looks abnormal compared to our own solar system. I'd knock out 99.99999% of the remaining 40% of solar systems on this basis alone. There are other factors, too. Our moon was once very close and has moved away over eons of time (eventually to leave orbit altogether). Our planet has plate tectonics that appears unique among planets we know about; the formation and drift of continents over eons has done a lot to stir things up so life might form. Life itself is not spontaneous. Our scientists cannot recreate any environment resembling the early Earth and see life spontaneously form in test tubes. If it were spontaneous, we'd likely see it throughout our own solar system. Also, our experience is that 100% of the time life forms on a planet, intelligent life evolves. The Earth has had numerous near full extinction events (asteroids hitting the planet), yet life manages to survive and move on. It may well be that you need this same kind of event to form life, and the timing is everything. If so, scratch another 99.99999% of the remaining few possible solar systems in the entire universe from the list. The Earth has a combination of magnetic field, slow orbit, in the temperate zone (proximity to the sun), mild greenhouse effect, and numerous other attributes that make life possible and that there's no reason to expect all these things in a planet anywhere else. See where it all leads? Anyhow, the scariest thing of all is how Science (my rant) has become a belief system almost analogous to a religion. No scientist knows there is life elsewhere, but they BELIEVE it. BELIEF is what religion is about, not fact. I am more than amused that SETI is considered science and that there are fields called astrobiology that aren't considered voodoo. Think about it
^ Thats a good topic to debate on another thread, about the possibility of life outside earth. Personally I don't believe into it that much but knowing how much space is out there, that we cannot even put it into thought, the chance of life exists. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 24 2008, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Funny. I don't think there's life out there, though I could be convinced there is if we actually found some. Drake's Equation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation) is an attempt to plug guestimates into a formula that might predict the number of intelligent races in our galaxy. Drake himself plugged in numbers that got him a value of 10. There are a number of WWW sites that let you plug in your own numbers, via a WWW form, and it shows you the result of the equation; when I plug in my guestimates, I get numbers like .0001. I have a lot of issues with the formula, tho. It's designed to prove there is life, which is not necessarily a fair proposition. Oddly, there's no evidence, whatsoever, of life anywhere but Earth. Sure, we haven't explored anywhere outside our solar system, so the sample is small. The thing is, what we can see is that life took hold here, and there's literally billions of species; once it takes hold, it sure grows like a wildfire. Life here on Earth has historically altered the environment; early plant life converted an atmosphere that was almost all CO2 into one that we can breathe, for example. If there was any kind of life anywhere in our solar system, I think it'd be obvious - like some kind of life that's green/plants/moss that would be visible on planet surfaces with a telescope. Why does science tell us that the laws of physics/nature are the same everywhere in the universe, yet when it comes to life, they have to tell us that the laws of physics/nature are not the same everywhere when it comes to life. If the laws are the same everywhere, then life is carbon based, like us and every living thing on the planet. There's no evidence, again, whatsoever that there is any other basis for life. If you look at the entire universe, there sure is a nearly unimaginable number of stars and solar systems; the appeal to believe there is life out there is one based upon odds or probability. Yet that probability could easily be so closed to zero that life here is something of a miraculous roll of the dice. Then there's the nature of the planet itself. There are a wide number of variables that make Earth suitable for life that really cut down the likelihood that there is life elsewhere. Scientists tell us that 60% of all the star systems out there are at least binary (2 stars orbiting one another); Earth orbits a single star. Knock out 60% of that vast number of galaxies. Earth has a distinctly large moon in relation to the planet, compared with other planets we know about. Our moon has an extraordinary influence on making life possible, from establishing the tides to keeping the planet from wobbling on its axis in a way that life could not survive. We have no way to know for certain just how rare this planet/moon relationship is, though what we do know is that it sure looks abnormal compared to our own solar system. I'd knock out 99.99999% of the remaining 40% of solar systems on this basis alone. There are other factors, too. Our moon was once very close and has moved away over eons of time (eventually to leave orbit altogether). Our planet has plate tectonics that appears unique among planets we know about; the formation and drift of continents over eons has done a lot to stir things up so life might form. Life itself is not spontaneous. Our scientists cannot recreate any environment resembling the early Earth and see life spontaneously form in test tubes. If it were spontaneous, we'd likely see it throughout our own solar system. Also, our experience is that 100% of the time life forms on a planet, intelligent life evolves. The Earth has had numerous near full extinction events (asteroids hitting the planet), yet life manages to survive and move on. It may well be that you need this same kind of event to form life, and the timing is everything. If so, scratch another 99.99999% of the remaining few possible solar systems in the entire universe from the list. The Earth has a combination of magnetic field, slow orbit, in the temperate zone (proximity to the sun), mild greenhouse effect, and numerous other attributes that make life possible and that there's no reason to expect all these things in a planet anywhere else. See where it all leads? Anyhow, the scariest thing of all is how Science (my rant) has become a belief system almost analogous to a religion. No scientist knows there is life elsewhere, but they BELIEVE it. BELIEF is what religion is about, not fact. I am more than amused that SETI is considered science and that there are fields called astrobiology that aren't considered voodoo. Think about it </div> Denny question about life here on the planet, do you believe that it started from nothing by chance, or it was created (religion belief) ? Just want your personal opinion, or belief.
I don't know how life started, nobody does. Some people believe it was an act of God, some don't. I am not a religious fellow, so I would simply say I don't know how life started, though God is as good an explanation as any until we do know I haven't heard anyone suggest that life is spontaneously forming all the time on Earth today, just that it evolves and mutates into other species over long periods of time. This might lead one to think that there was some perfect storm of conditions that led to life spawning. Did everything come from one event? Not sure. It could have formed in pools of goo everywhere on the planet within a short time, or all life could have come from a single pool of goo where all the conditions and external forces required to spawn life occurred. "External forces" might be a lightning strike, an asteroid impact, or any of a number of things.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 24 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know how life started, nobody does. Some people believe it was an act of God, some don't. I am not a religious fellow, so I would simply say I don't know how life started, though God is as good an explanation as any until we do know I haven't heard anyone suggest that life is spontaneously forming all the time on Earth today, just that it evolves and mutates into other species over long periods of time. This might lead one to think that there was some perfect storm of conditions that led to life spawning. Did everything come from one event? Not sure. It could have formed in pools of goo everywhere on the planet within a short time, or all life could have come from a single pool of goo where all the conditions and external forces required to spawn life occurred. "External forces" might be a lightning strike, an asteroid impact, or any of a number of things.</div> I have to agree with you that no one knows. I'm not religious either, and I think that both stories have their flaws, but at the end neither can convince me to believe that "their" story, explanation is the right one.
interesting. old man trying to stir the pot or someone nearing the end of life who desperatly wants to atone for past lies?
There are a lot of stars out there. 40% of the 70 sextillion divided by 10 000 is still like 10^16 which would be 10 quadrillion.
