<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jurassic)</div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, for someone with the name 'Real' that is some of the most fake stuff I have read in a long time. I'm not sure which part you were being saracastic about, obviously you don't like Nas.</div> Actually I do own Nas albums. I'm not going after Nas the rapper's lyrics as Bill O does, I'm going after his partisan bickering and ignoring of the facts. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But are are you seriously trying to argue that O'Reilly isn't racist just because he had black people on his show? Are you aware of how much racism, for example, NBA players hear from fans during a game? People will pay to see AI, and then shout racial slurs during the game, just because they are at the game doens't mean they aren't racist. Same thing with Billy O. There is no excuse to get mad at someone for having an opinion different than yours and then yell at them. That's ignorance, don't try to use that excuse that you can relate because you have the same Irish temper he has, sad. I never realize that things like racism, one's temper, etc were genetic.</div> If he was really a racist he wouldn't have them on to begin with. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Nas did nothing wrong, he just happens to be the frontman for something that should have happened a long time ago. For Billy to refer to the MoveOn group as a modern day KKK is downright disrespectful, and no, him being Irish doesn't make it okay I could go on</div> Well I thought the Irish temper comment was obvious sarcasm, but I guess you didn't get it. Just as you don't see my main point about Nas. If he was on the quest to find a fair and balanced truth he would go after other media outlets not just Fox News.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 24 2008, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Bill'O has said some off-color things, at the same time Nas is getting carried away. I don't care about his show but to me it seems like both "sides" here are wrong.</div> [insane Nas supporter] You know, that's the same type of thing they said about MLK, Malcolm X, etc.!!!! [/insane Nas supporter] </div> Word pegs. I'm sure if Faux News read your post or any of mine, they would dismiss us as people simply trying to rasie our # of posts like they dismissed Nas as trying to promote his album.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 24 2008, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By doing this Nas has become a partisan hack. He's no better than anyone on Fox News simply because he promotes a progressive agenda.</div> Nas is being a political hack, no question there. There are a lot of folks that can be accused of that from all sides of the issues. We can accuse FOX as having a "regressive" agenda.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jurassic @ Jul 24 2008, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jul 24 2008, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 24 2008, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>[sarcasm] Nas is a true patriot for going after the right wing Fox Noise channel. Bill O'Reilly's such a racist even though he's had Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al, Malik Shabazz, Juan Williams, Cam'ron, Dame Dash, and DJ Star on his show. All hail Nas [/sarcasm]</div> Having Jackson, Sharpton, or most of those dudes on his program doesn't indicate a lack of racism. It just shows that he wants a token black foil against which he can make broad, unwarranted generalizations. </div> Thank you Chutney, I'm glad that someone else gets it. Besides, Real if you saw the show with Cam'ron and Dame Dash, that was O'reilly attacking hip hop. The funny thing about that one is that he (Bill) brought in another black guy on the show (a high school principle) as well to question Dash and Cam'ron, that way he washed his hands of it. I find it funny, sad actually, that Fox News dismisses Nas as someone who has an album to promote. This isn't some Janet Jackson ish, this is real. Nas sells regardless, but I'm sure Fox News didn't know that. </div> I saw that. Dash and Cam tore that shit up. They saw his immaturity and raised him YOU MAAAD </div> EDIT I see what you're referring to. O'Reilly took their shit and didn't get mad once. Usually a racist will explode when a black person insults them right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jurassic @ Jul 24 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 24 2008, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Bill'O has said some off-color things, at the same time Nas is getting carried away. I don't care about his show but to me it seems like both "sides" here are wrong.</div> [insane Nas supporter] You know, that's the same type of thing they said about MLK, Malcolm X, etc.!!!! [/insane Nas supporter] </div> Word pegs. I'm sure if Faux News read your post or any of mine, they would dismiss us as people simply trying to rasie our # of posts like they dismissed Nas as trying to promote his album. </div> I'm Liberal but Fox News is Not "Faux" news. Every News Channel is biased as hell and has their share of douchebags, you're just getting suckered in my opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 24 2008, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If he was really a racist he wouldn't have them on to begin with.</div> That's all your own opinion, but is not necessarily true. They are speaking racism, and tolerant of having black guests on their show. At the end of the day, they are racist.
I think it is quite important to watch all the News Channels (as well as do a bit of reading online at least). In most cases hearing a retort on an issue is the only way to come to a reasonable conclusion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 24 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 24 2008, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If he was really a racist he wouldn't have them on to begin with.</div> That's all your own opinion, but is not necessarily true. They are speaking racism, and tolerant of having black guests on their show. At the end of the day, they are racist. </div> Like I said, he could take the Keith Olbermann route and just create a place where O'Reilly only has Republicans and Conservatives on his show, and they just compliment each other on being "great Americans." It's ridiculous for Nas to say that Fox News more or less limits the marketplace of ideas when he's affiliated with MoveOn.org no?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 24 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jurassic @ Jul 24 2008, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jul 24 2008, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 24 2008, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>[sarcasm] Nas is a true patriot for going after the right wing Fox Noise channel. Bill O'Reilly's such a racist even though he's had Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al, Malik Shabazz, Juan Williams, Cam'ron, Dame Dash, and DJ Star on his show. All hail Nas [/sarcasm]</div> Having Jackson, Sharpton, or most of those dudes on his program doesn't indicate a lack of racism. It just shows that he wants a token black foil against which he can make broad, unwarranted generalizations. </div> Thank you Chutney, I'm glad that someone else gets it. Besides, Real if you saw the show with Cam'ron and Dame Dash, that was O'reilly attacking hip hop. The funny thing about that one is that he (Bill) brought in another black guy on the show (a high school principle) as well to question Dash and Cam'ron, that way he washed his hands of it. I find it funny, sad actually, that Fox News dismisses Nas as someone who has an album to promote. This isn't some Janet Jackson ish, this is real. Nas sells regardless, but I'm sure Fox News didn't know that. </div> I saw that. Dash and Cam tore that shit up. They saw his immaturity and raised him YOU MAAAD </div> EDIT I see what you're referring to. O'Reilly took their shit and didn't get mad once. Usually a racist will explode when a black person insults them right? </div> Not once?
I did some digging. E.D. Hill made the terrorist fist jab comment, apologized for it, and has not been seen on the air since (that I know of). Contributor (not a staff person) Liz Trotta made a bad joke when Hillary brought up RFK's assassination while she was still in the race (it happened to RFK, it could happen to Obama is what she was accused of, remember?). She apologized on-air the next day, and has not appeared on Fox since. People have mistakenly called Obama "Osama" and it's not all been people from Fox News or the republican side. MSNBC, one of Obama's unpaid press agencies, once showed a picture of Osama while Chris Matthews was talking about Obama. There are several similar instances on CNN, too. What is clear is there's a ridiculous amount of scrutiny into these things these days; one gaffe by a politician along these lines and you go from being one of the favorites for presidential nominee to being the guy who fucked himself by saying "macaca." I believe these on-air people and producers of the 24/7 cable news networks have to fill all those hours and are bound to make a mistake once in a while. While trying to be cute. Anyone remember David Schuster of MSNBC, who I think is a fine reporter, was suspended for 2 weeks by NBC for saying the Clinton campaign was "pimping out" Chelsea Clinton?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 24 2008, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 24 2008, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If he was really a racist he wouldn't have them on to begin with.</div> That's all your own opinion, but is not necessarily true. They are speaking racism, and tolerant of having black guests on their show. At the end of the day, they are racist. </div> Define "racism."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 24 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I did some digging. E.D. Hill made the terrorist fist jab comment, apologized for it, and has not been seen on the air since (that I know of). Contributor (not a staff person) Liz Trotta made a bad joke when Hillary brought up RFK's assassination while she was still in the race (it happened to RFK, it could happen to Obama is what she was accused of, remember?). She apologized on-air the next day, and has not appeared on Fox since. People have mistakenly called Obama "Osama" and it's not all been people from Fox News or the republican side. MSNBC, one of Obama's unpaid press agencies, once showed a picture of Osama while Chris Matthews was talking about Obama. There are several similar instances on CNN, too. What is clear is there's a ridiculous amount of scrutiny into these things these days; one gaffe by a politician along these lines and you go from being one of the favorites for presidential nominee to being the guy who fucked himself by saying "macaca." I believe these on-air people and producers of the 24/7 cable news networks have to fill all those hours and are bound to make a mistake once in a while. While trying to be cute. Anyone remember David Schuster of MSNBC, who I think is a fine reporter, was suspended for 2 weeks by NBC for saying the Clinton campaign was "pimping out" Chelsea Clinton?</div> Yeah I do kind of feel bad for Hill. Fox took care of her quick it seems. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>On June 6, 2008, Hill brought up the question of whether a fist bump between Barack Obama and his wife after the final 2008 Presidential Democratic primaries was a "terrorist fist jab." Hill, introducing an upcoming discussion before a commercial break, posited that some believed the gesture was either "A fist bump? A pound? [or] A terrorist fist jab?,"[1][2][3][4][5] but never explained the term when the segment continued after the break. Hill apologized for her comments on June 10, claiming that she was describing the impressions of various other people, and not her own. [6] Later that same day, Fox News announced that Hill's show America's Pulse had been cancelled. Martha McCallum's show The Live Desk would become two hours, and Trace Gallagher would become a co-host with Martha.</div> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._D._Hill Other Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/10/f...s_n_106306.html
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 24 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jurassic @ Jul 24 2008, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jul 24 2008, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 24 2008, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>[sarcasm] Nas is a true patriot for going after the right wing Fox Noise channel. Bill O'Reilly's such a racist even though he's had Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al, Malik Shabazz, Juan Williams, Cam'ron, Dame Dash, and DJ Star on his show. All hail Nas [/sarcasm]</div> Having Jackson, Sharpton, or most of those dudes on his program doesn't indicate a lack of racism. It just shows that he wants a token black foil against which he can make broad, unwarranted generalizations. </div> Thank you Chutney, I'm glad that someone else gets it. Besides, Real if you saw the show with Cam'ron and Dame Dash, that was O'reilly attacking hip hop. The funny thing about that one is that he (Bill) brought in another black guy on the show (a high school principle) as well to question Dash and Cam'ron, that way he washed his hands of it. I find it funny, sad actually, that Fox News dismisses Nas as someone who has an album to promote. This isn't some Janet Jackson ish, this is real. Nas sells regardless, but I'm sure Fox News didn't know that. </div> I saw that. Dash and Cam tore that shit up. They saw his immaturity and raised him YOU MAAAD </div> EDIT I see what you're referring to. O'Reilly took their shit and didn't get mad once. Usually a racist will explode when a black person insults them right? </div> Not once? </div> Not really, in that video from what I can see. Not how he usually explodes on his program as you have pointed out. He got agitated and probably a little bit annoyed, but not nearly as much as Cam'ron was annoyed and agitated. If he was a racist wouldn't he have broken out in one of his trademark outrages?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 24 2008, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Contributor (not a staff person) Liz Trotta made a bad joke when Hillary brought up RFK's assassination while she was still in the race (it happened to RFK, it could happen to Obama is what she was accused of, remember?). She apologized on-air the next day, and has not appeared on Fox since.</div> I feel like taking this thread on a whole different tangent. IMO, unfortunately, it seems like if Obama was voted into presidency, there would be an extremely high chance of an assassination. I'm hoping to god that never happens, though. I just have a feeling that it's very likely..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 24 2008, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Contributor (not a staff person) Liz Trotta made a bad joke when Hillary brought up RFK's assassination while she was still in the race (it happened to RFK, it could happen to Obama is what she was accused of, remember?). She apologized on-air the next day, and has not appeared on Fox since.</div> I feel like taking this thread on a whole different tangent. IMO, unfortunately, it seems like if Obama was voted into presidency, there would be an extremely high chance of an assassination. I'm hoping to god that never happens, though. I just have a feeling that it's very likely.. </div> Well I wouldn't say "very likely" but I definitely wouldn't mind some extra security, Bullet-Proof Vests, etc. for Barry. Politics can get so emotional, it is a sad possibility but one we should be aware of.
I don't feel bad for Hill. Whenever she was on Fox, I'd change the channel. Annoying as all hell. For ROTR, people like to throw around the term "racist" and dilute its meaning in doing so. There's a significant element of superiority of one race over another (or all others) in the meaning of the term. It's hard to see actual racism in a commentator who talks up Colin Powell or Condoleeza Rice and puts down Obama or a rapper or whoever. "Demeaning" is the right word, if the rhetoric puts someone down. For the record, I have no issue with Mrs. Obama; she seems like a fine lady. My take is she has a great education, but isn't all that great in front of a crowd. Something true of most people, I think. I'd have voted for Sharpton in the general election if he were the nominee - I'm a big fan, but the LIBERAL media unfairly made him out to be some sort of clown. I have no issue with Reverend Wright, and have posted that continually in this forum. On Fox, I don't think they're doing McCain any favors. Their coverage is on the order of 70-30 in favor of Obama (and ignoring McCain), tho McCain does get interviewed on Fox from time to time (unlike the other networks, shame on them). They've had numerous guests on who are republicans who say they won't vote for McCain, oddly enough, Ann Coulter being one of them. *shrug* I'm with huevonkiller on this. I used to watch MSNBC for 90% of my news, and generally flipped over to CNN or Fox to see what they were talking about from time to time. I do like Special Report with Britt Hume and Fox Report with Shepard Smith and take the rest with a grain of salt. I like Hardball and Joe Scarborough on MSNBC and AC360 and Wolf Blitzer's shows and others on CNN.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 24 2008, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 24 2008, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Contributor (not a staff person) Liz Trotta made a bad joke when Hillary brought up RFK's assassination while she was still in the race (it happened to RFK, it could happen to Obama is what she was accused of, remember?). She apologized on-air the next day, and has not appeared on Fox since.</div> I feel like taking this thread on a whole different tangent. IMO, unfortunately, it seems like if Obama was voted into presidency, there would be an extremely high chance of an assassination. I'm hoping to god that never happens, though. I just have a feeling that it's very likely.. </div> Well I wouldn't say "very likely" but I definitely wouldn't mind some extra security, Bullet-Proof Vests, etc. for Barry. Politics can get so emotional, it is a sad possibility but one we should be aware of. </div> Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I'm nervous about what would happen if he were to be voted into office... I think I'm gonna vote for a 3rd party guy, anyways. Or Stephen Colbert.
For those who haven't seen the Cam'ron interview on O'Reilly: <div><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/5oLGjhpY9jM&"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/5oLGjhpY9jM&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350" /></embed></object></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 24 2008, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 24 2008, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Contributor (not a staff person) Liz Trotta made a bad joke when Hillary brought up RFK's assassination while she was still in the race (it happened to RFK, it could happen to Obama is what she was accused of, remember?). She apologized on-air the next day, and has not appeared on Fox since.</div> I feel like taking this thread on a whole different tangent. IMO, unfortunately, it seems like if Obama was voted into presidency, there would be an extremely high chance of an assassination. I'm hoping to god that never happens, though. I just have a feeling that it's very likely.. </div> Colin Powell, military hero, refused to run for fear of something like this. To Obama's credit, he's running anyway with whatever threat there is in doing so. All it takes is one nut, sure, but I don't think there's a high chance of assassination. Rather, the republic survived both Bushes, Carter and Clinton. It'll survive Obama, too.
