<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 25 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they do that I hope they tie Hassell's contract around his neck. Swat + Hassell for Jeff Foster and a future pick would work. We'd actually be about $7mm under the cap next season.</div> Tie Simmons contract as well! </div> That would be too much.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 25 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they do that I hope they tie Hassell's contract around his neck. Swat + Hassell for Jeff Foster and a future pick would work. We'd actually be about $7mm under the cap next season.</div> Tie Simmons contract as well! </div> That would be too much. </div> I bet the Knicks would give up Marbury for Sean + Hassell + Simmons + Ager (to make contracts work)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 25 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yes I agree with the earlier points--at this point I'm just using Okafor as an example. The team needs another center, though, and it would be nice if they could open up a roster spot at the same time for Hodge and/or Carroll, who will be inexpensive.</div> Hassell+Swat for Foster and a pick could be good then. I think Lopez and Boone are going to get most of the minutes at center, but they do need one more insurance player. To Minny for Collins and a pick could be good too. Collins could start his career as a player/assistant and work with the bigs. It's mainly an insurance position and to shed Hassell's contract.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 25 2008, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 25 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they do that I hope they tie Hassell's contract around his neck. Swat + Hassell for Jeff Foster and a future pick would work. We'd actually be about $7mm under the cap next season.</div> Tie Simmons contract as well! </div> That would be too much. </div> I bet the Knicks would give up Marbury for Sean + Hassell + Simmons. </div> But they don't need $20+mm in salary cap space next season. They could use some next season and then go for the kill in 2010. Plus, I wouldn't want to send Sean to the Knicks.
I don't understand why that makes him a negative influence on anyone. Frank might not like it that he took a week off, but it's his time. I wish Sean was a basketball lifer and lived in the gym, but he's not that guy. He will listen and put forth effort, but he has a life, too. Maybe this will prevent him from becoming great, but I don't think he affects his teammates or has a negative presence on the team. If anything, I think he's the kind of guy that diffuses drama and wants harmony. I think he's a good teammate, he just needs to get his ass in gear. I could name a lot more Nets that are in that boat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 25 2008, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 25 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they do that I hope they tie Hassell's contract around his neck. Swat + Hassell for Jeff Foster and a future pick would work. We'd actually be about $7mm under the cap next season.</div> Tie Simmons contract as well! </div> That would be too much. </div> I bet the Knicks would give up Marbury for Sean + Hassell + Simmons. </div> But they don't need $20+mm in salary cap space next season. They could use some next season and then go for the kill in 2010. Plus, I wouldn't want to send Sean to the Knicks. </div> Just an option to take to save a lot of money if they want to go that route since Nets ownership is suffering big financial losses. Maybe Thorn could even squeeze a pick out of it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wasn't aware of that, and I follow these things pretty closely. Where does he go? How lazy is he?</div> Here's one article at summer league practice. Link <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Sean took a week off last week,” Frank said. “You can see it. He’s going to have to continue to work and get in game rhythm. Some of these other guys have been working out the whole month. “He’s trying to get it and pushing through fatigue a little bit, trying to improve on some of the things he struggled with last year in terms of consistent intensity every possession, understanding positioning on the defensive end. It’s not about shot blocking but positioning, being at the right place at the right time. He’s making good efforts and good strides and he just has to keep moving in that direction.”</div> Some hints about it. </div> See, to me, those quotes by Frank actually disprove what some people here are trying to say. "Trying . . . pushing through fatigue . . . trying to improve . . . making good efforts and good strides" Those are the qualities of a lazy person? Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. Sean's not "lazy." He doesn't work to his fullest some of the time, but he sure as hell isn't lazy. Look at what he did just to make it to the NBA.
So essentially the Nets are admitting to themselves that they made a mistake in the 2007 draft. Now that is something completely new for this front office. However, I wouldn't get use to it. With Kiki being new, this is a one time thing as he is even more protective of his decisions than Rod or Ed are of theirs. Zeke offered Kiki Penny's huge expiring contract and first round pick to the Nuggets for Kenyon and he said no.
I thought the idea of having a bunch of bigs was to allow room for a guy like Sean or whoever to develop. It's all but a given Yi is starting at the 4 with Najera backing him up so why not stash Williams and let him grow a la Jermaine O'Neal on Portland. If he earns his minutes thats great, if not he keeps working and we have other options we can defer to. He's not worth packaging with Hassell or Swift just to get them off our books and we damn well better get somebody nice in return. Seriously he makes so little money for the potential he has it's downright retarded to give up on him this quickly especially seeing as guys like him take a few years to mature. He could be more than ready by 2010! I know we're building a Frank team but for godsakes give him more than one friggin' summer. This is the same crap I got pissed at when we lost Hassan and he actually played better in summer league before they cut him for that waste of space Magliore. I like the additions we've made this offseason but every one are role players except maybe Yi who could bud into a star and having a bunch of role players isn't enough no matter how much we stress team basketball. Sean could be a damn good player and I will be really pissed if he's traded for some assinine financial reason.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't understand why that makes him a negative influence on anyone. Frank might not like it that he took a week off, but it's his time. I wish Sean was a basketball lifer and lived in the gym, but he's not that guy. He will listen and put forth effort, but he has a life, too. Maybe this will prevent him from becoming great, but I don't think he affects his teammates or has a negative presence on the team. If anything, I think he's the kind of guy that diffuses drama and wants harmony. I think he's a good teammate, he just needs to get his ass in gear. I could name a lot more Nets that are in that boat.</div> Don't disagree with you there. Just pointing out what I think they are seeing. We only see a small piece of it. We know how much they long to have great big men and that all teams loathe to trade those away. So if they do trade him they must've seen somthing that is going to keep him from developing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 25 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought the idea of having a bunch of bigs was to allow room for a guy like Sean or whoever to develop. It's all but a given Yi is starting at the 4 with Najera backing him up so why not stash Williams and let him grow a la Jermaine O'Neal on Portland. If he earns his minutes thats great, if not he keeps working and we have other options we can defer to. He's not worth packaging with Hassell or Swift just to get them off our books and we damn well better get somebody nice in return. Seriously he makes so little money for the potential he has it's downright retarded to give up on him this quickly especially seeing as guys like him take a few years to mature. He could be more than ready by 2010! I know we're building a Frank team but for godsakes give him more than one friggin' summer. This is the same crap I got pissed at when we lost Hassan and he actually played better in summer league before they cut him for that waste of space Magliore. I like the additions we've made this offseason but every one are role players except maybe Yi who could bud into a star and having a bunch of role players isn't enough no matter how much we stress team basketball. Sean could be a damn good player and I will be really pissed if he's traded for some assinine financial reason.</div> He only makes $1.26mm, so it wouldn't be for financial reasons. I think they should put him in the D-League and really see what they have with a lot of minutes.
this team is full of crap. what big man coach has sean been working with“ who is on this team to teach him? the closest he had was cartwright and i wouldnt exactly call cartwright a role model for bigmen, he was serviceable yes but is that what we want sean to be? fly olajuwon out here for a month during the summer and have him mentor this kid, hire a real big man to coach the bigs on our team, like buck williams or gilliam. ask terry cummings! i am sure there are some old bigs that are itching to be around the game and pass along knowledge. frank has never even played highschool ball! what is he gonna tell sean? what tricks does he know about battling in the paint? our bigs are going into this season naked! look what jabbar did with bynum in 2 seasons!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He only makes $1.26mm, so it wouldn't be for financial reasons. I think they should put him in the D-League and really see what they have with a lot of minutes.</div> When I said financial reasons I meant packaging him with another player like Trenton to get his unappealing deal off our books. How many teams give up on freaky athletic shot blockers who only make that much scratch? Only dumb ones.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 25 2008, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He only makes $1.26mm, so it wouldn't be for financial reasons. I think they should put him in the D-League and really see what they have with a lot of minutes.</div> When I said financial reasons I meant packaging him with another player like Trenton to get his unappealing deal off our books. How many teams give up on freaky athletic shot blockers who only make that much scratch? Only dumb ones. </div> They'll only trade him if they think he's never going to develop. They see more than us. He's an athletic big... Thorn salivates over those. If they do tie him to Hassell then it's for cap space to sign someone else next season, not to save money. It would just be a side benefit, not their sole motivation. You don't do that with bigs you think have potential.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean is all thats left that needs to be dealt with. with him gone, you now have ZERO negative influences, and no one in franks dog house. it frees up more minutes for young guys like anderson, boone, lopez, yi...</div> Why is he a negative influence? </div> he doesnt work hard, and takes off whenever he feels like it. that stuff can be contageous. </div> Wait where have I heard this before...ah, see, this is what happens when you watch Dante & Galante and take them seriously. I wouldn't doubt that there are people on this board who have played organized basketball longer than Sean has; don't confuse that for being a bad person.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i REALLY hope this is true. getting rid of Sean williams is the only thing left on my offseason wish list. Everything else has come to fruition. We got dooling, we moved RJ for young players and contracts that come off the books. we drafted Lopez(i wanted thomas or lopez) we got rid of marcus williams.... Sean is all thats left that needs to be dealt with. with him gone, you now have ZERO negative influences, and no one in franks dog house. it frees up more minutes for young guys like anderson, boone, lopez, yi...</div> Do you actually believe this? Frank will always have a problem with a player. He always has. The only players that wont be in his doghouse at some point are Najera and Carter. Everyone else will be at some point next year. Carter because Frank doesnt know how to deal with stars. Najera because he is a do everything type of player like his boy Collins but much better offensively. As far as negativ influences, I dont get that. What did Sean do last year that was negative. He was a rookie and showed a lot of promis. I dont get it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jul 25 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean is all thats left that needs to be dealt with. with him gone, you now have ZERO negative influences, and no one in franks dog house. it frees up more minutes for young guys like anderson, boone, lopez, yi...</div> Why is he a negative influence? </div> he doesnt work hard, and takes off whenever he feels like it. that stuff can be contageous. </div> Wasnt there an article saying he has been working out this summer? For someone that is lazy, why would you do that? The guy was a rookie last year. If he continues this year, then I can understand. That said. If it is for josh smith i am all for it. Now that childress is gone, I really doubt the hawks let Smith go.
Swat, in my opinion, can be like Tyson Chandler, if not a lot better because I think he can get some offensive moves that Tyson doesn't. I don't know why they would want to trade him away. I think that his level of skill and potential is even greater than Yi, and if we will be rebuilding you have to keep a guy like Sean. Who cares if he isn't the smartest guy in the locker room, who cares if he is not as mature as you would expect him to be. At least he doesn't have a negative effect in the locker room, he still respects his team and teammates. He hasn't done anything really immature outside of the locker room. I don't ever remember him doing something stupid on the court (speaking about characteristics). He hasn't said something that was inappropriate to the media, so I don't get where all the negative attacks come from. For God's sake the guy just finished his rookie year, give him a couple more and I will guarantee he will be a significant starter somewhere in the league. But if the Nets can get something that is really worth the potential value of Swat, then I guess I wouldn't be mad at them to do such a thing.
