I'm not sure how I feel about this. If we just move him in a salary dump with another player, I won't like it. If we just get a pick from a team that will make the playoffs, I won't like it either. But I would love it if we could package him with some expirings for a really nice player.
Nobody's pointing out the elephant in the corner. Would you say that Cliff Robinson, Lamar Odom, and Josh Howard are positive locker room influences?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Froz-T @ Jul 25 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swat, in my opinion, can be like Tyson Chandler, if not a lot better because I think he can get some offensive moves that Tyson doesn't. I don't know why they would want to trade him away. I think that his level of skill and potential is even greater than Yi, and if we will be rebuilding you have to keep a guy like Sean. Who cares if he isn't the smartest guy in the locker room, who cares if he is not as mature as you would expect him to be. At least he doesn't have a negative effect in the locker room, he still respects his team and teammates. He hasn't done anything really immature outside of the locker room. I don't ever remember him doing something stupid on the court (speaking about characteristics). He hasn't said something that was inappropriate to the media, so I don't get where all the negative attacks come from. For God's sake the guy just finished his rookie year, give him a couple more and I will guarantee he will be a significant starter somewhere in the league. But if the Nets can get something that is really worth the potential value of Swat, then I guess I wouldn't be mad at them to do such a thing.</div> Are u kiddin' me? Tyson is very good rebounder, sean's NOT. Tyson's a aite defender, sean's NOT. Tyson's a good offensive player around the basket, sean's not. Sean's a good shot blocker, that's it.
Smoking weed in college and quitting afterwards is closer to describing a huge percentage of all college students than it does a horrible person.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jul 25 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are u kiddin' me? Tyson is very good rebounder, sean's NOT. Tyson's a aite defender, sean's NOT. Tyson's a good offensive player around the basket, sean's not. Sean's a good shot blocker, that's it.</div> Or, you could actually go and look up each of the rebounding numbers from their rookie years, and notice that they're eerily similar. IIRC Tyson wasn't even that great of a defender when he game into the league. He had height, that's about it. I'm not saying Sean can't get to his level (albeit at the PF position), but it's not completely out of the question.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 25 2008, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Smoking weed in college and quitting afterwards is closer to describing a huge percentage of all college students than it does a horrible person.</div> I completely agree. And I don't want this to become a public service announcement or anything like that. But I don't know anyone who's been kicked off of campus because of it. If you think that there is no possible way that this is connected to the "bad character" tag Williams has, you are being naive.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Thorn ever got rid of player that has gone on to have a very successful career afterwards?</div> yes... stephen jackson!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 25 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jul 25 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are u kiddin' me? Tyson is very good rebounder, sean's NOT. Tyson's a aite defender, sean's NOT. Tyson's a good offensive player around the basket, sean's not. Sean's a good shot blocker, that's it.</div> Or, you could actually go and look up each of the rebounding numbers from their rookie years, and notice that they're eerily similar. IIRC Tyson wasn't even that great of a defender when he game into the league. He had height, that's about it. I'm not saying Sean can't get to his level (albeit at the PF position), but it's not completely out of the question. </div> That's sean's weakness.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 25 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Thorn ever got rid of player that has gone on to have a very successful career afterwards?</div> yes... stephen jackson! </div> Very true. But if I remember right I think that had more to do with Byron than Thorn. JR Smith was Byron's Stephen Jackson at New Orleans.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 25 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Smoking weed in college and quitting afterwards is closer to describing a huge percentage of all college students than it does a horrible person.</div> I agree with you. IMO i would say more then 60% of the NBA players smoke weed. They just havent gotten caught yet. I know guys that are f'n pot chimneys, but pass f'n drug tests for jobs. I think Frank smokes. He is too calm for me and he has to be doing something watching all those video tapes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 25 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Thorn ever got rid of player that has gone on to have a very successful career afterwards?</div> yes... stephen jackson! </div> Very true. But if I remember right I think that had more to do with Byron than Thorn. JR Smith was Byron's Stephen Jackson at New Orleans. </div> LOL! dont try that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Jul 25 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 25 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Thorn ever got rid of player that has gone on to have a very successful career afterwards?</div> yes... stephen jackson! </div> Very true. But if I remember right I think that had more to do with Byron than Thorn. JR Smith was Byron's Stephen Jackson at New Orleans. </div> LOL! dont try that. </div> Try what? I agreed. Still 1 out of what 50+ that have played on the team since 2000. He may not be the best at evaluating players before they get here, but after working with and studying players up close he sure know when to cut bait.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Jul 25 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 25 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 25 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Thorn ever got rid of player that has gone on to have a very successful career afterwards?</div> yes... stephen jackson! </div> Very true. But if I remember right I think that had more to do with Byron than Thorn. JR Smith was Byron's Stephen Jackson at New Orleans. </div> LOL! dont try that. </div> Try what? I agreed. Still 1 out of what 50+ that have played on the team since 2000. He may not be the best at evaluating players before they get here, but after working with and studying players up close he sure know when to cut bait. </div> I agree with you here, but Thorn already did that with Marcus Williams. If he doesnt pan out by the end of next year, someone would be willing to take him on his potential.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (networks @ Jul 25 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 25 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Smoking weed in college and quitting afterwards is closer to describing a huge percentage of all college students than it does a horrible person.</div> I agree with you. IMO i would say more then 60% of the NBA players smoke weed. They just havent gotten caught yet. I know guys that are f'n pot chimneys, but pass f'n drug tests for jobs. I think Frank smokes. He is too calm for me and he has to be doing something watching all those video tapes. </div> I think its more than that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jul 25 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (networks @ Jul 25 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 25 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Smoking weed in college and quitting afterwards is closer to describing a huge percentage of all college students than it does a horrible person.</div> I agree with you. IMO i would say more then 60% of the NBA players smoke weed. They just havent gotten caught yet. I know guys that are f'n pot chimneys, but pass f'n drug tests for jobs. I think Frank smokes. He is too calm for me and he has to be doing something watching all those video tapes. </div> I think its more than that. </div> I was actually being reasonable. I think it is more like 80% but didnt want the little flags and dings to go off.
Sean has put himself on the block with his bleak performance in summer leagues. Heck, even Antoine Wright and Marcus Williams dominated those leagues at some point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Jul 25 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean has put himself on the block with his bleak performance in summer leagues. Heck, even Antoine Wright and Marcus Williams dominated those leagues at some point.</div> It's alot easier to dominate a game when you can bring the ball up. Sean needs to be fed the ball and we were clearly trying to get Brook the touches down low. Sean has to box out, hustle, and board. I wouldn't be surprised if he had alot of unfavorable defensive assignments as well.
Unless we are using him to get Josh Smith or some player of that caliber/potential I will be very annoyed with our FO if they traded SWAT.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 25 2008, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Jul 25 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean has put himself on the block with his bleak performance in summer leagues. Heck, even Antoine Wright and Marcus Williams dominated those leagues at some point.</div> It's alot easier to dominate a game when you can bring the ball up. Sean needs to be fed the ball and we were clearly trying to get Brook the touches down low. Sean has to box out, hustle, and board. I wouldn't be surprised if he had alot of unfavorable defensive assignments as well. </div> Good Point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Jul 25 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean has put himself on the block with his bleak performance in summer leagues. Heck, even Antoine Wright and Marcus Williams dominated those leagues at some point.</div> So now that his value has dropped, we're looking to deal him?
