<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jul 25 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Jul 25 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sean has put himself on the block with his bleak performance in summer leagues. Heck, even Antoine Wright and Marcus Williams dominated those leagues at some point.</div> So now that his value has dropped, we're looking to deal him? </div> You asking me? Hey, if it's for me I wouldn't trade him! I'm his #2 fan (#1 is a mod on this forum) for Christ's sake!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I just think Frank doesn't like the kid period.</div> Based on what? You think Frank has a grudge against this goofy dude and won't play him even if it will help the team win? This isn't George Karl we're talking about here.
Theyre not going to dump him, its just saying they are willing to move him over all the other bigs. Im sure they did some minute crunching and determined they might be better off dealing him for PG help.
IMO this is a favorable situation for a long term deal on this team, his contract should be lower for resign if he is a late bloomer. I think he'll be a great player in his 3rd-4th year in the league. After all he's still learning basketball. And really I think those who are down on him just don't have a realistic bone in their body. He's a positive character on this team, and has more raw athletic ability than most rookies have. If he's allowed to feel confident in his game he'll be a force. I think that CDR (being that they both come from hard backgrounds) can show him a few things about basketball and hopefully confidence.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Jul 25 2008, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just think Frank does not like the kid period</div> The fact that the team is looking to move him after one year, proves it. This team better be competitive or Frank won't make it to Brooklyn.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I just think Frank doesn't like the kid period.</div> Based on what? You think Frank has a grudge against this goofy dude and won't play him even if it will help the team win? This isn't George Karl we're talking about here. </div> Doesn't have to be a grudge. It could simply be Frank thinking Swat doesn't fit to what he believes the team should be.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (No.1 @ Jul 25 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Jul 25 2008, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just think Frank does not like the kid period</div> The fact that the team is looking to move him after one year, proves it. This team better be competitive or Frank won't make it to Brooklyn. </div> Since when was the point of the NBA to surround their head coaches with a good social club? The team won't be competitive, but Frank wouldn't be fired anyway. He kept his job after sucking with Kidd, then with Jefferson, but now is more accountable after losing them? You're better than that!
Guys why would we give up on Sean after just 1 season? We gave way more time to those 2 bums Wright and Mwill.... Why cant we do the same with him? Plus his potential is very high. Unless we move him as bait for a big time player... otherwise its retarded.
SWat will definitely be a better player than Chris Andersen...yet teams are still interested in The Birdman...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Jul 25 2008, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Guys why would we give up on Sean after just 1 season? We gave way more time to those 2 bums Wright and Mwill.... Why cant we do the same with him? Plus his potential is very high. Unless we move him as bait for a big time player... otherwise its retarded.</div> Again, teh team is built around the coach's views now. Frank doesn't think SWAT can fit in his system. Thus, him being shopped around.
I don't want to see Sean Williams go either, but...........when you evaluate players you must put all personal feelings and emotions aside and strictly judge by the facts. Year one: he showed promise, but hit the rookie wall. Then from April till now he's been at the gym working with Frank and other rookies and hangers ons. He has had a lot of personal training and coaching by Frank and staff. Just look at his body and you can see the nets have been working on him. Physical abilities are not the problem here. Upside is not the problem here. Personal Character is really not the problem here from we fans can tell. I think the problem here is brain power and basketball I Q. There are so many very talented players that have unbelievable athleticism that never make it in this league. Why? Cause they are just stupid period.... God has given them a gift and they don't take it to the next level. And, in most cases the next level is brain power! How is swat going to learn all about all the differences in Refs, and different players from all over the league, when he struggles with what side he should be on in playing defense in a summer league full of rookies and D leaguers? He's got talent alright and alot of upside, but his brain power is questionable, and .......maybe maturity... I don't know i'd like him to stay, but just like Marcus who was very talented too, if the front office wants him gone, he's gone.......... oh yeah, go nets!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Nets rookie Sean Williams did not start playing organized basketball until the summer before his senior year in High School. Digest that. It was just four years ago when he suited up for the first time, as a member of the Dallas Mustangs AAU team in the summer of 2003.</div> Source: nba.com/nets Everyone seems to agree that what's holding Sean back is the "mental game:" knowing where to be in the plays they run, how to play physical and yet stay out of foul trouble, and how to position himself (and when) to get rebounds. What I don't get is why people are attributing to some innate characteristic of Sean that is doomed to end his career. This kid just has not played basketball that much in his life. He didn't even start playing until 5 years ago! So forget what you know about potential in this case, this guy has a lot of catching up to do first. He only played 27 games a season for his freshman and senior years, and then was suspended for his third. Source: Boston College. So now in one season he's had to play 82 games against the best in the world. Jesus, in retrospect I'm shocked he even made it off the bench, given the fact that in his first year in the NBA he played more games than he had previously in his entire life. Think about that one. Despite all of this, he scored 22 points, and 8 rebounds in his very first regular season start against a Shaq-led Miami Heat. He's got the Nets rookie record for blocks in a game with eight. He's started 29 games, while shooting 54% from the field. He makes just over 1 million a year. I mean, what the fuck ya'll? We took him as a project, but even that was a stretch. I encourage you all to read that Nets article I linked to (the first citation). Really, we shouldn't have even expected an impact for another couple of years. The fact that he's already been so inclusive is a miracle. The fact that he's been exceptional in parts is unexplanable. You do not trade a person who has managed to find a place in the NBA with such little basketball experience. You do not trade away a prospect of this caliber. You do not trade Sean Williams. edit: oh yeah, the fact that he didn't dominate the Summer League? Pfft, most of those players have been playing basketball longer than he has!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (No.1 @ Jul 25 2008, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 25 2008, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I just think Frank doesn't like the kid period.</div> Based on what? You think Frank has a grudge against this goofy dude and won't play him even if it will help the team win? This isn't George Karl we're talking about here. </div> Doesn't have to be a grudge. It could simply be Frank thinking Swat doesn't fit to what he believes the team should be. </div> But what evidence is there of this? Frank has said many times that he wanted younger, more energetic, more athletic players. What you said is a completely different sentiment than "Frank doesn't like the kid period."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 26 2008, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Nets rookie Sean Williams did not start playing organized basketball until the summer before his senior year in High School. Digest that. It was just four years ago when he suited up for the first time, as a member of the Dallas Mustangs AAU team in the summer of 2003.</div> Source: nba.com/nets Everyone seems to agree that what's holding Sean back is the "mental game:" knowing where to be in the plays they run, how to play physical and yet stay out of foul trouble, and how to position himself (and when) to get rebounds. What I don't get is why people are attributing to some innate characteristic of Sean that is doomed to end his career. This kid just has not played basketball that much in his life. He didn't even start playing until 5 years ago! So forget what you know about potential in this case, this guy has a lot of catching up to do first. He only played 27 games a season for his freshman and senior years, and then was suspended for his third. Source: Boston College. So now in one season he's had to play 82 games against the best in the world. Jesus, in retrospect I'm shocked he even made it off the bench, given the fact that in his first year in the NBA he played more games than he had previously in his entire life. Think about that one. Despite all of this, he scored 22 points, and 8 rebounds in his very first regular season start against a Shaq-led Miami Heat. He's got the Nets rookie record for blocks in a game with eight. He's started 29 games, while shooting 54% from the field. He makes just over 1 million a year. I mean, what the **** ya'll? We took him as a project, but even that was a stretch. I encourage you all to read that Nets article I linked to (the first citation). Really, we shouldn't have even expected an impact for another couple of years. The fact that he's already been so inclusive is a miracle. The fact that he's been exceptional in parts is unexplanable. You do not trade a person who has managed to find a place in the NBA with such little basketball experience. You do not trade away a prospect of this caliber. You do not trade Sean Williams. edit: oh yeah, the fact that he didn't dominate the Summer League? Pfft, most of those players have been playing basketball longer than he has! </div> STANDS AND APPLAUDS!! this is the reason sean especially needs close mentoring. we need a high caliber big coach. if we trade sean that will be a huge mistake. he will be in his prime in 2010!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 25 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (No.1 @ Jul 25 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Jul 25 2008, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just think Frank does not like the kid period</div> The fact that the team is looking to move him after one year, proves it. This team better be competitive or Frank won't make it to Brooklyn. </div> Since when was the point of the NBA to surround their head coaches with a good social club? The team won't be competitive, but Frank wouldn't be fired anyway. He kept his job after sucking with Kidd, then with Jefferson, but now is more accountable after losing them? You're better than that! </div> I totally agree with you. The worse thing is for Lawrence Frank. I could understand good to great coaches, but for Frank.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Froz-T @ Jul 25 2008, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swat, in my opinion, can be like Tyson Chandler, if not a lot better because I think he can get some offensive moves that Tyson doesn't. I don't know why they would want to trade him away.</div> We'd trade him to get room for Ben Wallace, silly!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 26 2008, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Everyone seems to agree that what's holding Sean back is the "mental game:" knowing where to be in the plays they run, how to play physical and yet stay out of foul trouble, and how to position himself (and when) to get rebounds. What I don't get is why people are attributing to some innate characteristic of Sean that is doomed to end his career. This kid just has not played basketball that much in his life. He didn't even start playing until 5 years ago! So forget what you know about potential in this case, this guy has a lot of catching up to do first. He only played 27 games a season for his freshman and senior years, and then was suspended for his third. Source: Boston College. So now in one season he's had to play 82 games against the best in the world. Jesus, in retrospect I'm shocked he even made it off the bench, given the fact that in his first year in the NBA he played more games than he had previously in his entire life. Think about that one.</div> 5 years is a long time. You should be able to learn the basics and know how to follow directions. If he has shown very little progress in that area in the 1 year he's been here then that could be the red flag the team sees. If he should some progress in picking up the fundamentals they wouldn't trade him. So the issue for the team may not be so much about what he knows, but his capacity to learn.
