Paul Pierce Says He is Better than Kobe

Yea, I could see them making the playoffs. I think PJax would orchestrate things well enough to make the playoffs.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 25 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think Thrilla is the best, I am the best. There is a line that separates being presumptuous and self confidence. I do not cross that line but I have great deal of self confidence.</div>
Replace Garnett, Allen, Rondo and Posey with Kwame, Parker and Cook, and try to make it back into the playoffs Beef!

 

Enough of this. If Allen, Garnett, and Posey would have not been traded to Boston, Pierce would probably have retired by now, much less talking smack about being the best player in NBA!

 

lol wtf? retired? So what happens if Shaq never joined the Lakers? Kobe would have signed in Europe?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 25 2008, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol wtf? retired?</div>

Yes! Retired! Coaching kids in high school basketball or something, or still sitting at the bottom half of the Eastern Conference.

 

So if we want to play the "if" game. Like if KG and Ray Allen weren't traded to the Celts.

What if we say. IF Shaq was signed to the Celtics and Antoine Walker joined the Lakers. So Kobe got to play with Toine for 8 years and Pierce has Shaq for 8 years or whatever.

Kobe is a more talented individual than Pierce and for his career has been a better player. I do think though that Pierce outplayed Kobe during the Finals though.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 25 2008, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So if we want to play the "if" game. Like if KG and Ray Allen weren't traded to the Celts.

What if we say. IF Shaq was signed to the Celtics and Antoine Walker joined the Lakers. So Kobe got to play with Toine for 8 years and Pierce has Shaq for 8 years or whatever.

Kobe is a more talented individual than Pierce and for his career has been a better player. I do think though that Pierce outplayed Kobe during the Finals though.</div>

Well, I was just going to stick with what if <situation x> never happened in the first place and things stayed as they were going (for the most part). Allen, Posey, and Garnett were huge additions to the Celtics. That was a blockbuster deal for the ages. Look at the swing in their win/loss record over those two seasons.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 25 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 25 2008, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So if we want to play the "if" game. Like if KG and Ray Allen weren't traded to the Celts.

What if we say. IF Shaq was signed to the Celtics and Antoine Walker joined the Lakers. So Kobe got to play with Toine for 8 years and Pierce has Shaq for 8 years or whatever.

Kobe is a more talented individual than Pierce and for his career has been a better player. I do think though that Pierce outplayed Kobe during the Finals though.</div>

Well, I was just going to stick with what if <situation x> never happened in the first place and things stayed as they were going (for the most part). Allen, Posey, and Garnett were huge additions to the Celtics. That was a blockbuster deal for the ages. Look at the swing in their win/loss record over those two seasons.
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Well I was just going to stick with what if <situation x> happened to player B instead of player A, and <situation y> happened to player A instead of player B. So Shaq was on the Celtics during his prime years and Kobe had Antoine Walker.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 25 2008, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Only a couple short years ago, Shaq was ready to annoint D Wade as the best player in the NBA, and the next MJ. The guy had a great season after Shaq joined up, and had a terrific finals performance. My, how times change.</div>

I'm watching Team USA beat up on Canada right now in an exhibition game. D Wade does a dunk and the announcer goes, "D Wade is BACK!!!" lol

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 25 2008, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 25 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 25 2008, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So if we want to play the "if" game. Like if KG and Ray Allen weren't traded to the Celts.

What if we say. IF Shaq was signed to the Celtics and Antoine Walker joined the Lakers. So Kobe got to play with Toine for 8 years and Pierce has Shaq for 8 years or whatever.

Kobe is a more talented individual than Pierce and for his career has been a better player. I do think though that Pierce outplayed Kobe during the Finals though.</div>

Well, I was just going to stick with what if <situation x> never happened in the first place and things stayed as they were going (for the most part). Allen, Posey, and Garnett were huge additions to the Celtics. That was a blockbuster deal for the ages. Look at the swing in their win/loss record over those two seasons.
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Well I was just going to stick with what if <situation x> happened to player B instead of player A, and <situation y> happened to player A instead of player B. So Shaq was on the Celtics during his prime years and Kobe had Antoine Walker.
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Well, if you divide situation x by situation y, then add situation z to the result, what you end up with is Kobe still being a better player than Pierce.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 25 2008, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 25 2008, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 25 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 25 2008, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So if we want to play the "if" game. Like if KG and Ray Allen weren't traded to the Celts.

What if we say. IF Shaq was signed to the Celtics and Antoine Walker joined the Lakers. So Kobe got to play with Toine for 8 years and Pierce has Shaq for 8 years or whatever.

Kobe is a more talented individual than Pierce and for his career has been a better player. I do think though that Pierce outplayed Kobe during the Finals though.</div>

Well, I was just going to stick with what if <situation x> never happened in the first place and things stayed as they were going (for the most part). Allen, Posey, and Garnett were huge additions to the Celtics. That was a blockbuster deal for the ages. Look at the swing in their win/loss record over those two seasons.
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Well I was just going to stick with what if <situation x> happened to player B instead of player A, and <situation y> happened to player A instead of player B. So Shaq was on the Celtics during his prime years and Kobe had Antoine Walker.
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Well, if you divide situation x by situation y, then add situation z to the result, what you end up with is Kobe still being a better player than Pierce.

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Most of the time yes, but when dealing with imaginary numbers and playing in the NBA Finals, then the formula needs to be multiplied by factor P and then the results show Pierce outplaying Kobe.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 25 2008, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 25 2008, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
Well, if you divide situation x by situation y, then add situation z to the result, what you end up with is Kobe still being a better player than Pierce.</div>

Most of the time yes, but when dealing with imaginary numbers and playing in the NBA Finals, then the formula needs to be multiplied by factor P and then the results show Pierce outplaying Kobe.
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Hmmm, I was hoping to re-use last year's math book. Looks like they are going to make me buy a new one this year.

 

I wonder who people would consider the better player would be if the Celtics played in Hollywood and the Lakers played in Boston.....just a thought.

Amazing what Paul Pierce did this year in his very first NBA finals. In fact, is there anyone on the Celtics squad who has been to the Finals before?

Scoring 81 points does not make someone a better player, to whoever said that. Didn't Tony Delk once score 50 points in a game? I don't think that KG has ever scored 50, and there are plenty of players better than Delk who have no scored 50 in a game.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jurassic @ Jul 25 2008, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Amazing what Paul Pierce did this year in his very first NBA finals. In fact, is there anyone on the Celtics squad who has been to the Finals before?

Scoring 81 points does not make someone a better player, to whoever said that. Didn't Tony Delk once score 50 points in a game? I don't think that KG has ever scored 50, and there are plenty of players better than Delk who have no scored 50 in a game.</div>

Scoring 81 points makes you the king.

James Posey was a Miami Heat that won the title.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumpman @ Jul 25 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Replace Garnett, Allen, Rondo and Posey with Kwame, Parker and Cook, and try to make it back into the playoffs Paul!

Lol, Paul Pierce is good, but not good enough to be saying he's the best.</div>
Pierce made it to the Conference Finals with Antoine Walker, Tony Battie, Eric Williams, Kenny Anderson, Rodney Rodgers and Tony Delk. He made it into the 2nd round with Walker, Delk, Battie, Williams, JR Bremer and Walter McCarty. And into the playoffs again with Ricky Davis, Jiri Welsch, Mark Blount, Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm and Marcus Banks. And once more with an elderly Gary Payton, 20 games of Antoine, Ricky Davis and Raef LaFrentz.Those rosters are all similar or worse than the rosters Kobe has had post-Shaq. It wasn't until Pierce was the only veteran on the Celtics roster that he started missing the playoffs. And if you think Kobe would have improved any of those teams enough to make the playoffs, then you're crazy.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thrilla @ Jul 25 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumpman @ Jul 25 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Replace Garnett, Allen, Rondo and Posey with Kwame, Parker and Cook, and try to make it back into the playoffs Paul!

Lol, Paul Pierce is good, but not good enough to be saying he's the best.</div>
Pierce made it to the Conference Finals with Antoine Walker, Tony Battie, Eric Williams, Kenny Anderson, Rodney Rodgers and Tony Delk. He made it into the 2nd round with Walker, Delk, Battie, Williams, JR Bremer and Walter McCarty. And into the playoffs again with Ricky Davis, Jiri Welsch, Mark Blount, Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm and Marcus Banks. And once more with an elderly Gary Payton, 20 games of Antoine, Ricky Davis and Raef LaFrentz.Those rosters are all similar or worse than the rosters Kobe has had post-Shaq. It wasn't until Pierce was the only veteran on the Celtics roster that he started missing the playoffs. And if you think Kobe would have improved any of those teams enough to make the playoffs, then you're crazy.
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[devil's advocate]But the East was far less competitive. I do remember one year when the Celtics made the playoffs with 36 wins.[/devil's advocate]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Jul 25 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thrilla @ Jul 25 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumpman @ Jul 25 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Replace Garnett, Allen, Rondo and Posey with Kwame, Parker and Cook, and try to make it back into the playoffs Paul!

Lol, Paul Pierce is good, but not good enough to be saying he's the best.</div>
Pierce made it to the Conference Finals with Antoine Walker, Tony Battie, Eric Williams, Kenny Anderson, Rodney Rodgers and Tony Delk. He made it into the 2nd round with Walker, Delk, Battie, Williams, JR Bremer and Walter McCarty. And into the playoffs again with Ricky Davis, Jiri Welsch, Mark Blount, Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm and Marcus Banks. And once more with an elderly Gary Payton, 20 games of Antoine, Ricky Davis and Raef LaFrentz.Those rosters are all similar or worse than the rosters Kobe has had post-Shaq. It wasn't until Pierce was the only veteran on the Celtics roster that he started missing the playoffs. And if you think Kobe would have improved any of those teams enough to make the playoffs, then you're crazy.
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[devil's advocate]But the East was far less competitive. I do remember one year when the Celtics made the playoffs with 36 wins.[/devil's advocate]
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Precisely. They wouldn't even make the playoffs in the West with those rosters.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Jul 25 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thrilla @ Jul 25 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumpman @ Jul 25 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Replace Garnett, Allen, Rondo and Posey with Kwame, Parker and Cook, and try to make it back into the playoffs Paul!

Lol, Paul Pierce is good, but not good enough to be saying he's the best.</div>
Pierce made it to the Conference Finals with Antoine Walker, Tony Battie, Eric Williams, Kenny Anderson, Rodney Rodgers and Tony Delk. He made it into the 2nd round with Walker, Delk, Battie, Williams, JR Bremer and Walter McCarty. And into the playoffs again with Ricky Davis, Jiri Welsch, Mark Blount, Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm and Marcus Banks. And once more with an elderly Gary Payton, 20 games of Antoine, Ricky Davis and Raef LaFrentz.Those rosters are all similar or worse than the rosters Kobe has had post-Shaq. It wasn't until Pierce was the only veteran on the Celtics roster that he started missing the playoffs. And if you think Kobe would have improved any of those teams enough to make the playoffs, then you're crazy.
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[devil's advocate]But the East was far less competitive. I do remember one year when the Celtics made the playoffs with 36 wins.[/devil's advocate]
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I'm not saying Pierce is better than Kobe, just reminding people of what he has done with so little in his career. One of those years they were the 8 seed, but the other 3 teams would have made the playoffs in either conference.

 

Kobe made the playoffs with Kwame Brown as starter (couldn't even get minutes in Memphis), Smush Parker as starting point guard (soon to be out the league), Lamar Odom as second option (he's even inconsistent as third option), Luke Walton (he sucks), Brian Cook as sixth man (laughable), Sasha Vujacic before he could shoot, and Devean George playing a major role (super scrub). The fact that Kobe even got to the playoffs with that roster in the west, and actually gave the Suns a run for their money is impressive enough

I'm not going to debate Kobe vs Pierce though. I'm sure you guys all know my stance, and it's just going to be a pointless argument that will never get anywhere

With that being said, I have read that the quote is not even accurate. It's from a Spanish newspaper or something and the translation isn't even correct. Pierce is a great player though. Like I said before, he used to be one of my favorite ex-Lakers before this season (as well as KG surprise surprise). He played great in the postseason, and I'm not going to take anything away from him. He's truly a phenomenal player

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Legacy @ Jul 25 2008, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is fake. I doubt he really said that. Translations don't come out 100 percent correctly.</div>

I know Spanish man, it is indeed translated appropriately.