NBA GM Draft Discussion

I'm going to NOT ignore jtballa hahah

Troy Murphy has always been a solid player. The man has range for a big man which is desirable in today's game. He can also rebound and from what I can tell, he can defend quite well. Another thing that has always worked in his favor is that the boy can hustle as well.

I don't know your roster, but I'm guessing he isn't asked to score a whole lot, so as that consisten rebounder, defender, and occasional scorer, he was great.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 6 2008, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 6 2008, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 6 2008, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 6 2008, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 6 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 6 2008, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 6 2008, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Explain how?</div>

Do you honestly think Zach Randolph contributes to winning?
</div>

On my team he will, maybe on a team like Knicks he wouldn't.

Remember that he has Wade a superstar, then Odom which will be the second scoring option, and then he can compete with Chandler for the 3rd option on the team.

I understand if you hate a player but give credit where its due.
</div>

I don't hate Zach Randolph. He's just a terrible basketball player.

He has never contributed to a winning team, and probably never will. There is no credit to give. It is not due. Explain to me why there is?

Why will he contribute to winning on your team?
</div>

You're making the accusations that he's a terrible player, you prove that first then we'll talk.

He's can average 20, 10 night in and night out on any team.
</div>

01-02. Randolph played 41 games in the season, 6 MPG. He got garbage time. Team Record 49-33.
02-03. Randolph played basically a full season, 16.9 MPG. He averaged 8.4 ppg and 4.5 rpg. Team Record 50-32.
03-04. First full season getting starters minutes. Averaged 20.5 ppg, and 10.1 rpg. Team Record 41-41 record.
04-05. Played 46 games, missed half a season with a knee injury. Averaged 19 and 9. Team Record in games that he played 19-27.
05-06. Averaged 18 and 8. Team Record 21-61.
06-07. Averaged 23 and 10. Team Record 32-50.
07-08. Traded to the New York Knicks for washed up Steve Francis who is immediately bought out and Channing Frye. Averages 17 and 10. Team Record 23-59.


What is the trend? A lot of winning?

Numbers don't correlate to wins.
</div>

Look at his teammates. Those Blazers teams were just downright terrible, and the players got in a lot of legal trouble to boot.

Knicks. Enough said.
</div>

Does that make Zach Randolph a winner?

Isn't that post you just made a complete juxtaposition from your earlier views on how LMA and Bogut aren't winners?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 6 2008, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 6 2008, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 6 2008, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He did average 10 or close to it with Sheed as his teammate. David Lee's a pretty good rebounder, too.</div>

Past season averaged 17ppg 10rpg 2apg. And they have Curry on the team.
</div>

Curry was hurt, no?
</div>

yeah 24 games.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thats bullshit i doubt i was given a full 6 hours too pick, we were like 8 picks down from me when i logged off like at 1 this morning</div>

LWP picked at 3:20 and CK picked at 9:54 so there was over 6 hours.

 

Curry doesn't rebound, so why would that matter?

 

As far as I know Zach is a much better player than Bogut.

And those stats mean nothing dude, you are giving stats way too much credit, watch the games and see how Zach plays.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 6 2008, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 6 2008, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 6 2008, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 6 2008, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 6 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Aug 6 2008, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 6 2008, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Explain how?</div>

Do you honestly think Zach Randolph contributes to winning?
</div>

On my team he will, maybe on a team like Knicks he wouldn't.

Remember that he has Wade a superstar, then Odom which will be the second scoring option, and then he can compete with Chandler for the 3rd option on the team.

I understand if you hate a player but give credit where its due.
</div>

I don't hate Zach Randolph. He's just a terrible basketball player.

He has never contributed to a winning team, and probably never will. There is no credit to give. It is not due. Explain to me why there is?

Why will he contribute to winning on your team?
</div>

You're making the accusations that he's a terrible player, you prove that first then we'll talk.

He's can average 20, 10 night in and night out on any team.
</div>

01-02. Randolph played 41 games in the season, 6 MPG. He got garbage time. Team Record 49-33.
02-03. Randolph played basically a full season, 16.9 MPG. He averaged 8.4 ppg and 4.5 rpg. Team Record 50-32.
03-04. First full season getting starters minutes. Averaged 20.5 ppg, and 10.1 rpg. Team Record 41-41 record.
04-05. Played 46 games, missed half a season with a knee injury. Averaged 19 and 9. Team Record in games that he played 19-27.
05-06. Averaged 18 and 8. Team Record 21-61.
06-07. Averaged 23 and 10. Team Record 32-50.
07-08. Traded to the New York Knicks for washed up Steve Francis who is immediately bought out and Channing Frye. Averages 17 and 10. Team Record 23-59.


What is the trend? A lot of winning?

Numbers don't correlate to wins.
</div>

Look at his teammates. Those Blazers teams were just downright terrible, and the players got in a lot of legal trouble to boot.

Knicks. Enough said.
</div>

I agree with Denny. The seasons from 2005 to 2007, he was surrounded by a team full of missing players, horrile players, or suspended players. Then Sheed was gone, then Bonzi was gone. He was by himself, and you gotta understand this was before Aldridge or Roy. He was the only source of offense from what I remember, I mean, his best teammate back then was Darius Miles.

Then he came to the Knicks where noone there could win. If we're talking about players contributing to wins there, Randolph went from a bad team to the Knicks and still lost, Quentin Richardson, altogether not a stellar player, but used to be a good player, came from a winning phoenix team if my memory serves me right, and came to the Knicks and was losing to. Everyone who went there lost.

For the role that he is playing Zach Randolph will be just fine. He and Chandler will be down in the post rebounding and clogging the lane, which with his size he can do. Also his main scoring will come from the combination of Wade and Odom. Randolph will get his points when he is open and occasionally in the offense.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DynastYWarrioR6 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm going to NOT ignore jtballa hahah

Troy Murphy has always been a solid player. The man has range for a big man which is desirable in today's game. He can also rebound and from what I can tell, he can defend quite well. Another thing that has always worked in his favor is that the boy can hustle as well.

I don't know your roster, but I'm guessing he isn't asked to score a whole lot, so as that consisten rebounder, defender, and occasional scorer, he was great.</div>
lol nice, yea anyway I thought I need rebounding and a guy who can shoot for when melo and redd get doubled team.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DynastYWarrioR6 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm going to NOT ignore jtballa hahah

Troy Murphy has always been a solid player. The man has range for a big man which is desirable in today's game. He can also rebound and from what I can tell, he can defend quite well. Another thing that has always worked in his favor is that the boy can hustle as well.

I don't know your roster, but I'm guessing he isn't asked to score a whole lot, so as that consisten rebounder, defender, and occasional scorer, he was great.</div>
lol nice, yea anyway I thought I need rebounding and a guy who can shoot for when melo and redd get doubled team.
</div>

You like how I didn't ignore you?!
Now GIVE ME YOUR NEXT PICK!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 6 2008, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I toke Troy Murphy, thoughts??</div>

Better than Zach Randolph.

I've always liked Murphy, in an odd sort of way. Is he still on Indiana? I forgot the guy existed. Pretty good pick at this point.
</div>
Yup, actually I was pissed that I got skipped because I wanted Zach Randolph but whatever.
</div>

You should consider yourself lucky. Just imagine if you had picked him. You'd be involved in an argument with Kid Chocolate and Denny over how much Randolph sucks.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DynastYWarrioR6 @ Aug 6 2008, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DynastYWarrioR6 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm going to NOT ignore jtballa hahah

Troy Murphy has always been a solid player. The man has range for a big man which is desirable in today's game. He can also rebound and from what I can tell, he can defend quite well. Another thing that has always worked in his favor is that the boy can hustle as well.

I don't know your roster, but I'm guessing he isn't asked to score a whole lot, so as that consisten rebounder, defender, and occasional scorer, he was great.</div>
lol nice, yea anyway I thought I need rebounding and a guy who can shoot for when melo and redd get doubled team.
</div>

You like how I didn't ignore you?!
Now GIVE ME YOUR NEXT PICK!
</div>

I didn't ignore him first, therefore I think I deserve the pick

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DynastYWarrioR6 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DynastYWarrioR6 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm going to NOT ignore jtballa hahah

Troy Murphy has always been a solid player. The man has range for a big man which is desirable in today's game. He can also rebound and from what I can tell, he can defend quite well. Another thing that has always worked in his favor is that the boy can hustle as well.

I don't know your roster, but I'm guessing he isn't asked to score a whole lot, so as that consisten rebounder, defender, and occasional scorer, he was great.</div>
lol nice, yea anyway I thought I need rebounding and a guy who can shoot for when melo and redd get doubled team.
</div>

You like how I didn't ignore you?!
Now GIVE ME YOUR NEXT PICK!
</div>
HAAA no problem give me Boozer or Camby though!!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 6 2008, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As far as I know Zach is a much better player than Bogut.

And those stats mean nothing dude, you are giving stats way too much credit, watch the games and see how Zach plays.</div>

Prefaced by your first statement, that is just downright comical.

Did you ever hear the term black hole? I live in the tri-state area. I've seen more Nets/6ers/Knicks games than you can count. That's not an issue. If you've watch Zach play, I don't know how you are defending him so hard.

Let's do this. Let's throw out these stats. What does Zach do that contributes to a winning team? You still haven't given me an answer, you've been deflecting with "you prove he doesn't".

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 6 2008, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 6 2008, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I toke Troy Murphy, thoughts??</div>

Better than Zach Randolph.

I've always liked Murphy, in an odd sort of way. Is he still on Indiana? I forgot the guy existed. Pretty good pick at this point.
</div>
Yup, actually I was pissed that I got skipped because I wanted Zach Randolph but whatever.
</div>

You should consider yourself lucky. Just imagine if you had picked him. You'd be involved in an argument with Kid Chocolate and Denny over how much Randolph sucks.
</div>
hell yea thats why im happy with Troy

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 6 2008, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As far as I know Zach is a much better player than Bogut.

And those stats mean nothing dude, you are giving stats way too much credit, watch the games and see how Zach plays.</div>
Irony.

 

You haven't proven that he doesn't contribute though because stats don't show the true side of the player.

Obviously you don't like him or otherwise you wouldn't be shitting on him so hard.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Aug 6 2008, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Aug 6 2008, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As far as I know Zach is a much better player than Bogut.

And those stats mean nothing dude, you are giving stats way too much credit, watch the games and see how Zach plays.</div>
Irony.
</div>

???

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Aug 6 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DynastYWarrioR6 @ Aug 6 2008, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DynastYWarrioR6 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm going to NOT ignore jtballa hahah

Troy Murphy has always been a solid player. The man has range for a big man which is desirable in today's game. He can also rebound and from what I can tell, he can defend quite well. Another thing that has always worked in his favor is that the boy can hustle as well.

I don't know your roster, but I'm guessing he isn't asked to score a whole lot, so as that consisten rebounder, defender, and occasional scorer, he was great.</div>
lol nice, yea anyway I thought I need rebounding and a guy who can shoot for when melo and redd get doubled team.
</div>

You like how I didn't ignore you?!
Now GIVE ME YOUR NEXT PICK!
</div>

I didn't ignore him first, therefore I think I deserve the pick
</div>
Hey if anyone makes the right deal I will gladly give them the pick lol