<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Monta Ellis' signing by the Warriors to be Baron II is no surprise. He had no other offers, the Warriors had no alternatives, the Greeks hadn't settled on a playmate for Josh Childress - why, it was a marriage made in heaven, if heaven is defined as a fait accompli. But as the new face of the franchise, Ellis is about to find out how much his narrow shoulders can bear, and then what three times that weighs. This, boys, girls and undecideds, is about to get very interesting. Ellis' career has been made in large part by drafting behind bigger cars - Davis, Stephen Jackson, Don Nelson, even Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy. He has been the youngest child, the one everyone finds irresistibly cute. No baggage, no injury history, no contract burden. In every way, the protected one.</div> Source
I'm glad Monta was re-signed, got his money, and is da new man, but I hope he takes some English lessons for those interview requests he's going to be getting all the time now .
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Legacy @ Jul 25 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Monta Ellis' signing by the Warriors to be Baron II is no surprise. He had no other offers, the Warriors had no alternatives, the Greeks hadn't settled on a playmate for Josh Childress - why, it was a marriage made in heaven, if heaven is defined as a fait accompli. But as the new face of the franchise, Ellis is about to find out how much his narrow shoulders can bear, and then what three times that weighs. This, boys, girls and undecideds, is about to get very interesting. Ellis' career has been made in large part by drafting behind bigger cars - Davis, Stephen Jackson, Don Nelson, even Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy. He has been the youngest child, the one everyone finds irresistibly cute. No baggage, no injury history, no contract burden. In every way, the protected one.</div> Source </div> Ellis does have injury history; right? Wasn't he injured sometime around the draft which was why he fell so far? I think he's had some leg problems. But perhaps it hasn't been anything serious.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Legacy @ Jul 25 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Monta Ellis' signing by the Warriors to be Baron II is no surprise. He had no other offers, the Warriors had no alternatives, the Greeks hadn't settled on a playmate for Josh Childress - why, it was a marriage made in heaven, if heaven is defined as a fait accompli. But as the new face of the franchise, Ellis is about to find out how much his narrow shoulders can bear, and then what three times that weighs. This, boys, girls and undecideds, is about to get very interesting. Ellis' career has been made in large part by drafting behind bigger cars - Davis, Stephen Jackson, Don Nelson, even Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy. He has been the youngest child, the one everyone finds irresistibly cute. No baggage, no injury history, no contract burden. In every way, the protected one.</div> Source </div> Is it just me or should Ray Ratto stick to... I dunno... football? Drafting behind bigger cars such as Dunleavy? What has this cat been smoking? Look at Ellis' game log for last year -- he scored in double digits 75 out of the 81 games he played. From January to the end of the season, he was just on FIRE. His game logs for points from Jan21st to the last day of the season were: 28, 39, 24, 18, 16, 21, 25, 34, 22, 37, 18, 26, 26, 30, 21, 22, 20, 32, 16, 16, 33, 23, 17, 11, 28, 24, 31, 18, 18, 22, 30, 14, 27, 19, 35, 16, 29, 17, 20, 24 Plus he averaged 6.3 rebounds for the last two months of the season. The kid was a machine. Drafting behind Dunleavy and Murphy Yeah buddy, you hit it right on the head, I can really tell you know your basketball. Great journalism Ratto
You know, Alley Oop, I think that's why I didn't like the article. I don't even know what the metaphor cars is supposed to mean. Troy Murphy and Dunleavy were never big cars. After two years in the league, people started to see what Dunleavy's game translated to in the nba. Maybe the writer meant that Dunleavy and Murphy were responsible for opening up playing time for Ellis? Ellis wasn't even starter until recently. It was Baron, Jrich, Pietrus, Dunleavy, Murphy and then it became Baron, Jrich, Sjax, Harrington, Biedrins. It was only after Jrich got traded that Ellis was upgraded to starting SG permanently. There were instances where it was Baron, Ellis, Jrich, Sjax, Harrington, but Harrington and Biedrins get starting/coming off the bench in different games.
Yeah, I agree with you guys the article was not greatly written and thats alright with me because we signed Monta Ellis, to the long term deal we were looking for. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He has been the youngest child, the one everyone finds irresistibly cute</div> ..... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>no injury history</div> Sprained Neck last year during a practice I believe.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Silver Man @ Jul 27 2008, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sprained Neck last year during a practice I believe.</div> Yep, plus he had that should injury in there somewhere when he went down hard and didn't move for like 10 minutes -- or was that the neck? I seem to remember him wearing a shoulder sleeve on one shoulder after that...
Ellis has had knee, back, and shoulder problems, but he seems to play unaffected or just plays through the pain. If that's the case that either shows he's got heart and toughness (or the heart, toughness, and discipline to hold out until he can get locked up for guaranteed years). The other thing is those problems could have been a thing of the past because of the way his body is still young. I swear 18 vs. 28, you feel invincible at 18 vs. 28 even if you're not in your muscular prime yet. Every thing after 25, the injuries just come more frequently. It's like lack of flexibility or something where you can pull, tweak, and strain stuff because of the toughened muscle over the years. Janny Hu: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/warrio...;entry_id=20934 Jonathan Givony's Draft Express (by unknown reporter): http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Monta-...ng-Report-2809/ <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>His intangibles are also somewhat questionable. Ellis has consistently shown a poor attitude and immaturity, pouting when things don't go his way or when the ball isn't in his hands for more than 5 seconds. He refused to shake anyone's hand at the end of the McDonalds game, because he was mad at his coach for not giving him more minutes at the PG spot (see links). His body language on the court looks very poor at times, while his quotes in the media make him look like an extremely cocky and arrogant young man. If he's already so full of himself at this point, when basically no one outside of NBA draft circles and Mississippi State fans knows his name, what's he going to be like in 5 years?</div> I love this part. If those observations are somewhat or all true, it showed Ellis humbled himself fairly quickly once the draft happened because he knew if he wanted to succeed, he'd have to change his attitude. Let's hope the money and the fame doesn't cause him to be different.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Jul 26 2008, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe the writer meant that Dunleavy and Murphy were responsible for opening up playing time for Ellis? Ellis wasn't even starter until recently. It was Baron, Jrich, Pietrus, Dunleavy, Murphy and then it became Baron, Jrich, Sjax, Harrington, Biedrins. It was only after Jrich got traded that Ellis was upgraded to starting SG permanently. There were instances where it was Baron, Ellis, Jrich, Sjax, Harrington, but Harrington and Biedrins get starting/coming off the bench in different games.</div> I don't think he meant that. What I think he was inferring was that Dun and Murphy were taking the focus of attention (good or bad). Ellis has never had the majority of that, he's been able to do his own thing. Since plays weren't being run for Ellis in those days, I guess it make some sense. Regardless, I still stand by Janny Hu as the only legitimate source on the Warriors in the bay.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CohanHater @ Jul 28 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Jul 26 2008, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe the writer meant that Dunleavy and Murphy were responsible for opening up playing time for Ellis? Ellis wasn't even starter until recently. It was Baron, Jrich, Pietrus, Dunleavy, Murphy and then it became Baron, Jrich, Sjax, Harrington, Biedrins. It was only after Jrich got traded that Ellis was upgraded to starting SG permanently. There were instances where it was Baron, Ellis, Jrich, Sjax, Harrington, but Harrington and Biedrins get starting/coming off the bench in different games.</div> I don't think he meant that. What I think he was inferring was that Dun and Murphy were taking the focus of attention (good or bad). Ellis has never had the majority of that, he's been able to do his own thing. Since plays weren't being run for Ellis in those days, I guess it make some sense. Regardless, I still stand by Janny Hu as the only legitimate source on the Warriors in the bay. </div> Okay, CH, I got ya. I should have thought of that, but I was just lost. The article didn't communicate clearly to me... I've always thought Ellis was going to be a big focus of attention because of what he showed in summer league and the few times that Monty bothered to play him. The guy was super fast and he had a chip on his shoulder being drafted so late in the 2nd round. Guy like that ought to draw more attention than Murphy/Dunleavy. But yeah you're right, that's probably not it. Murph and Dun was a failed experiment at PF and C.
