<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Washingtonpost.com Failing in Civility John McCain falls short of the standard he set by impugning Barack Obama's motives. Saturday, July 26, 2008; Page A14 POLITICIANS SAY a lot of things in the heat of campaigns that they end up regretting -- or ought to regret. Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, had one of those unfortunate moments the other day, when he charged that his Democratic opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, "would rather lose the war to win a political campaign." Having said this once, been criticized and had a chance to think it over, Mr. McCain chose to repeat it. "He would rather lose a war than lose a campaign," Mr. McCain told the Columbus Dispatch. "Because anyone who fails to acknowledge that the surge has worked, who has consistently opposed it, consistently never sat down and had a briefing with General Petraeus, our commander there, would rather lose a war than a political campaign." Mr. McCain's disagreement with Mr. Obama is as heartfelt as it is important. We, too, have concerns about the dangerous implications of Mr. Obama's insistence on withdrawing combat troops from Iraq within 16 months regardless of conditions there. We, too, fault Mr. Obama's unwillingness to acknowledge his mistake in predicting that the surge would fail. But Mr. McCain needn't impute motives to make his points. It's one thing to say Mr. Obama is wrong. It's another to accuse him of putting political self-interest over country. This is not the "politics of civility" that Mr. McCain was promising as recently as last month. a welcome change it would be were presidential candidates in our time to treat each other and the people they seek to lead with respect and courtesy as they discussed the great issues of the day," Mr. McCain wrote in a letter to Mr. Obama proposing weekly town hall meetings. With these latest comments, Mr. McCain falls short of the standards he set out.</div> Source
I think it's pretty obvious that Obama would much rather lose the war than the election, and he's demonstrated that on several different occasions. I don't have any problem with McCain speaking the truth, he should do it much more often in my opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RipCity @ Jul 26 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's pretty obvious that Obama would much rather lose the war than the election, and he's demonstrated that on several different occasions. I don't have any problem with McCain speaking the truth, he should do it much more often in my opinion.</div> What kind of national socialist country do we live in where we have to agree with McCain in order to be patriotic? How is it obvious? Tell me about these occasions. The surge has not caused political reconciliation. Take a harder look at yourself, there is enough evidence to be pessimistic about the surge. Further, you miss the point of the article.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 26 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RipCity @ Jul 26 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's pretty obvious that Obama would much rather lose the war than the election, and he's demonstrated that on several different occasions. I don't have any problem with McCain speaking the truth, he should do it much more often in my opinion.</div> What kind of national socialist country do we live in where we have to agree with McCain in order to be patriotic? </div> Actually, the if you are not with us then your against us mentality has been one of the mainstays of the current administration. I just love how the right wing media, during the early part of the primaries, were against McCain & his temper. Then they did a 180 and thought it'd be an advantage in dealing w/ rogue states/factions.... but not via diplomatic channels and civil discussion mind you. McCain IMO has more anger issues than Bruce Banner.
I, for one, think McCain is definitely making himself look bad by being so negative. Who does he think he is, the left wing media?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thoth @ Jul 27 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 26 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> What kind of national socialist country do we live in where we have to agree with McCain in order to be patriotic?</div> Actually, the if you are not with us then your against us mentality has been one of the mainstays of the current administration. </div> Stalin? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I just love how the right wing media, during the early part of the primaries, were against McCain & his temper. Then they did a 180 and thought it'd be an advantage in dealing w/ rogue states/factions.... but not via diplomatic channels and civil discussion mind you. McCain IMO has more anger issues than Bruce Banner.</div> McCain wasn't their guy back then, apparently. Domination rather than negotiation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 27 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I, for one, think McCain is definitely making himself look bad by being so negative. Who does he think he is, the left wing media?</div> The left wing media will likely use that against him for all its worth. Stay tuned.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 27 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 27 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I, for one, think McCain is definitely making himself look bad by being so negative. Who does he think he is, the left wing media?</div> The left wing media will likely use that against him for all its worth. Stay tuned. </div> They can use his temper against him for sure. His inconsistency is what will do him... parroting the Bush/Rove/Neocon philosophy one minute then being more of the Straight talk maverick w/ a hint of Reagan's philosophy the next.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12072.html It's pretty ridiculous that McCain is attack Obama on not visiting Iraq (when he just did), and not visiting injured troops in Germany. The day before he was supposed to visit those troops in Germany the Pentagon told him he couldn't have any campaign staff with him and his Senate staff had already gone home from the trip.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sunsfan1357 @ Jul 27 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's pretty ridiculous that McCain is attack Obama on not visiting Iraq (when he just did),</div> Could this be all part of his anger problem? LOL?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 27 2008, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sunsfan1357 @ Jul 27 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's pretty ridiculous that McCain is attack Obama on not visiting Iraq (when he just did),</div> Could this be all part of his anger problem? LOL? </div> lol probably. I can definitely see a photoshop being made of the movie poster Grumpy Old Men with McCain's face substituting one of the actor's.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sunsfan1357 @ Jul 27 2008, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 27 2008, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sunsfan1357 @ Jul 27 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's pretty ridiculous that McCain is attack Obama on not visiting Iraq (when he just did),</div> Could this be all part of his anger problem? LOL? </div> lol probably. I can definitely see a photoshop being made of the movie poster Grumpy Old Men with McCain's face substituting one of the actor's. </div> and so it begins...
I don't think if McCain loses it will be anything he did or didn't do. It'll be because the people think Barack Obama is going to be a good president. McCain can try all he wants but all this comes down to is a referendum on Barack Obama. If the people like his message (which it seems they do at this point), then he will be elected. The fact that McCain even has a shot after what has happened in the past 7 1/2 years shows he's doing a solid job right now.
