Biedrins Re-Signs

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  1. The Return of the Raider

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kwan1031 @ Jul 28 2008, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Great signing then. It's not too often that 22 years old with a potential actually gets a market value.

    Just 3 years ago, Mullin handed out...

    Richardson - 12 mils per
    Murphy - 10 mils per
    Dunleavy - 9 mils per
    Foyle - 8.5 mils per
    Fisher - 6 mils per

    And now...

    Monta - 11 mils per
    Maggette - 10 mils per
    Biedrins - 9 mils per
    Turiaf - 4 mils per
    Azubuike - 3 mils per

    That's a good learning curve.</div>

    Oh really, I am quoting him. What are you talking about?
     
  2. Kwan1031

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    Er... There is no question that this year's signings would destroy Mullin's initial signings. Some people may remember how I hated those signings. I just put Mullin's initial signings and this year's signings to compare how much Mullin has improved as a GM. But, last year's roster with Davis is better than this year's roster. I don't think there is much doubt about it either. It's bit disappointing to see that our roster is set for near future, and we are still not sure whether this team will make a PO or not. Well, we will see how post-Davis era will go...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 29 2008, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kwan1031 @ Jul 28 2008, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Great signing then. It's not too often that 22 years old with a potential actually gets a market value.

    Just 3 years ago, Mullin handed out...

    Richardson - 12 mils per
    Murphy - 10 mils per
    Dunleavy - 9 mils per
    Foyle - 8.5 mils per
    Fisher - 6 mils per

    And now...

    Monta - 11 mils per
    Maggette - 10 mils per
    Biedrins - 9 mils per
    Turiaf - 4 mils per
    Azubuike - 3 mils per

    That's a good learning curve.</div>

    Oh really, I am quoting him. What are you talking about?
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    Oh because it sounded like you were calling him out about comparing which of the two rosters is better.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 28 2008, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This years team would crush that other roster. No contest. The money is better spent this time. Foyle is a freaking joke. Murphy? Are you kidding me?</div>

    We all know this year's team is far superior to the team with Murphy, Foyle, and Fisher. That's obvious. But Kwan was simply pointing out the salaries Mullin gave out, and it's a good example -- Dun/Murph/Foyle were given way too much $$ and they'd be whooped by the current roster, for the same price. Indeed, it's a good learning curve by Mullin, and he's done well with what he's had to work with. For the same $$, we are getting twice the value of that Mike Montgomery-Fisher-Foyle-Murphy-Dunleavy fiasco.

    But, in terms of win-potential, that's not the team he's comparing our current roster to. He's comparing it to last year's team with Baron Davis:

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kwan1031 @ Jul 28 2008, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am not saying I feel more hopeful with this group than last year's group with Davis. As a matter of fact, I think our current group's potential is 6th seed at best in tough West, and we are probably looking at lottory in 2009.</div>

    And I don't blame him. This year's roster is basically Turiaf/Mags against last year's roster with Baron Davis (Monta, Beans, Az, Jax, Harrington and Wright are all the same).

    And I agree with Kwan, this year's roster isn't a lock for the playoffs. We lost a top-tier point guard, and, despite all the Current GS hype of the off season, the team still doesn't have a bone fide PG (unless Marcus Williams has a revelation this year).
    Although, to me, I think this year's roster is indeed better than last year's, simply because it won't be one player (Baron Davis) dominating the ball for 35 minutes a game. Hopefully, we'll see a lot more ball movement, inspired defense, and team play. I think Maggette will add that veteran presence and together with Jax will help build good chemistry, and with Anthony Randolph in the building, there's always that spark that's just waiting to ignite.
     
  4. Custodianrules2

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    I don't know about you guys, but I'm optimistic. This is the first time we've got a chance to show that depth and efficiency can win ball games. We seem to be two or three deep in every position with the exception of power forward. All these guys have some talents that really stand out for the inside/outside game. We got some high % shooters and guys seem to be getting better and better at the foul line.

    We've got Mags who can play inside and out. Azu can probably do the same. Morrow and Belinelli can stretch defenses. Belinelli, Ellis seem like real underrated playmakers who will make others. We got Sjax who I'm sure is going to be a lot better with all the scorers around him and he'll get people involved and lead the way on defense. Turiaf could be an x-factor because he's got the moves, he just needs work on his touch. Biedrins could be a lot better this year. We've got some good guard depth at point guard and shooting guard. We don't necessarily need a pure point guard, but we need everyone making plays for each other and make the effort to get open rather than stand around. We need high % offense inside and out.

    I think this is going to be good. If you get more guys capable of scoring all over, I think the team will become more unselfish because they can trust each other and they already have the experience and skill to make the plays.

    Will we make the playoffs? I think we will provided the chemistry is almost instant. The talent is definitely there and we got some guys who can make some impossible plays while the bench guys can hit high %'s. Chemistry is the most important thing and I think the Warriors can be a whole greater than the sum of its parts provided they share the ball. But you know with Nelly, it might just be 1 on 5. So I can't say for sure. It'll probably be inexperience that will kill us down the stretch, but I'm liking the Warriors' new roster.
     
  5. The Return of the Raider

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlleyOop @ Jul 29 2008, 01:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 29 2008, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kwan1031 @ Jul 28 2008, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Great signing then. It's not too often that 22 years old with a potential actually gets a market value.

    Just 3 years ago, Mullin handed out...

    Richardson - 12 mils per
    Murphy - 10 mils per
    Dunleavy - 9 mils per
    Foyle - 8.5 mils per
    Fisher - 6 mils per

    And now...

    Monta - 11 mils per
    Maggette - 10 mils per
    Biedrins - 9 mils per
    Turiaf - 4 mils per
    Azubuike - 3 mils per

    That's a good learning curve.</div>

    Oh really, I am quoting him. What are you talking about?
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    Oh because it sounded like you were calling him out about comparing which of the two rosters is better.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 28 2008, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This years team would crush that other roster. No contest. The money is better spent this time. Foyle is a freaking joke. Murphy? Are you kidding me?</div>

    We all know this year's team is far superior to the team with Murphy, Foyle, and Fisher. That's obvious. But Kwan was simply pointing out the salaries Mullin gave out, and it's a good example -- Dun/Murph/Foyle were given way too much $$ and they'd be whooped by the current roster, for the same price. Indeed, it's a good learning curve by Mullin, and he's done well with what he's had to work with. For the same $$, we are getting twice the value of that Mike Montgomery-Fisher-Foyle-Murphy-Dunleavy fiasco.

    But, in terms of win-potential, that's not the team he's comparing our current roster to. He's comparing it to last year's team with Baron Davis:

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kwan1031 @ Jul 28 2008, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am not saying I feel more hopeful with this group than last year's group with Davis. As a matter of fact, I think our current group's potential is 6th seed at best in tough West, and we are probably looking at lottory in 2009.</div>

    And I don't blame him. This year's roster is basically Turiaf/Mags against last year's roster with Baron Davis (Monta, Beans, Az, Jax, Harrington and Wright are all the same).

    And I agree with Kwan, this year's roster isn't a lock for the playoffs. We lost a top-tier point guard, and, despite all the Current GS hype of the off season, the team still doesn't have a bone fide PG (unless Marcus Williams has a revelation this year).
    Although, to me, I think this year's roster is indeed better than last year's, simply because it won't be one player (Baron Davis) dominating the ball for 35 minutes a game. Hopefully, we'll see a lot more ball movement, inspired defense, and team play. I think Maggette will add that veteran presence and together with Jax will help build good chemistry, and with Anthony Randolph in the building, there's always that spark that's just waiting to ignite.
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    Yes, I was comparing the rosters. Money vs money. The results in 2008 for the similar spending will be far greater. I agree with most of the points that you just made. I was a little stunned when Baron left. With all the things we have done surrounding that, I feel much better now. Nellie can develop players, and now he has the chance to watch them come to full fruition. These are exiting times for W's fans. Without Baron, we are still going to score. Without Baron, we are still going to get shot blocks. Without Baron, Monta is still going to steal the ball and take it to the other hoop. Without Baron, SJax is still going to pretend, on occasion to be a center, and post up on a big. I think it will all work itself out.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Jul 29 2008, 03:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know about you guys, but I'm optimistic. This is the first time we've got a chance to show that depth and efficiency can win ball games. We seem to be two or three deep in every position with the exception of power forward. All these guys have some talents that really stand out for the inside/outside game. We got some high % shooters and guys seem to be getting better and better at the foul line.

    We've got Mags who can play inside and out. Azu can probably do the same. Morrow and Belinelli can stretch defenses. Belinelli, Ellis seem like real underrated playmakers who will make others. We got Sjax who I'm sure is going to be a lot better with all the scorers around him and he'll get people involved and lead the way on defense. Turiaf could be an x-factor because he's got the moves, he just needs work on his touch. Biedrins could be a lot better this year. We've got some good guard depth at point guard and shooting guard. We don't necessarily need a pure point guard, but we need everyone making plays for each other and make the effort to get open rather than stand around. We need high % offense inside and out.

    I think this is going to be good. If you get more guys capable of scoring all over, I think the team will become more unselfish because they can trust each other and they already have the experience and skill to make the plays.

    Will we make the playoffs? I think we will provided the chemistry is almost instant. The talent is definitely there and we got some guys who can make some impossible plays while the bench guys can hit high %'s. Chemistry is the most important thing and I think the Warriors can be a whole greater than the sum of its parts provided they share the ball. But you know with Nelly, it might just be 1 on 5. So I can't say for sure. It'll probably be inexperience that will kill us down the stretch, but I'm liking the Warriors' new roster.</div>

    Looking at this year vs. last year is just not a realistic view. Baron left of his own choice. Done. Let's move on.

    The key analysis is did Mully do the best that he could given the circumstances? I believe he did a very nice job. He locked up the two FAs who have both proven they can be contributors in a playoff run and who can perform consistently for at least a whole year. This is not paying for performance over a half or a quarter of a year when the team is not in the playoffs and just playing out the string, Monta and Biedrins got the job done the past two years.

    Okafor just got $72M for 6, I bet that Biedrins outperforms Okafor in the long run (and so does Monta too.)

    The Warriors are going to be better in the long run, that's what is important; Wright and Randolph and Belinelli are going to flourish with the W's and that can only mean better things.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 29 2008, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Without Baron, SJax is still going to pretend, on occasion to be a center, and post up on a big. I think it will all work itself out.</div>

    [​IMG] lol -- no doubt
     
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    Do you guys think Nellie will really play the younger players, or just have a 7 man rotation again? If he uses everyone, we could be pretty good.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Legacy @ Jul 29 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you guys think Nellie will really play the younger players, or just have a 7 man rotation again? If he uses everyone, we could be pretty good.</div>


    I'd bet he uses an 8 man rotation with Williams, KA, and Turiaf off the bench. Wright might see limited minutes to start but they will either go way up or way down depending on how he starts the season. I think Beli and Randolph will barely see the floor.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ryan @ Jul 29 2008, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Legacy @ Jul 29 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you guys think Nellie will really play the younger players, or just have a 7 man rotation again? If he uses everyone, we could be pretty good.</div>

    I'd bet he uses an 8 man rotation with Williams, KA, and Turiaf off the bench. Wright might see limited minutes to start but they will either go way up or way down depending on how he starts the season. I think Beli and Randolph will barely see the floor.
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    I think that's about right, though I do think Randolph will have a chance to play a few minutes. Even though he is a rook, and raw, he's so darned flexible that I think Nellie will not be able to resist the temptation of trying him out all over the place. Nelson is all about playing mismatches and Randolph may have the capability to create a lot of those and he seems like he might have that special something that Monta had where he just will not be denied a larger role.

    I don't see Belinelli getting more than 8-12 mpg. I'm sorry, but I just don't see NBA-level skills from this guy that translate to big minutes. At best he's a shooting specialist and I'm not even sure he's consistent or disciplined enough for that role. He's a huge defensive liability on the floor with very little lateral quickness and as we saw the last few years, that's going to hurt you on most nights. Trying to outscore your opponents can take you part way, but to move up into elite category, you have to play some defense. On a team with no scorers Belinelli might be more valuable, but the Warriors already have lots of big-time scorers, and streaky perimeter threats with Harrington, Jackson, Williams, and Morrow (maybe Maggette in there too). Azubuike is more valuable than Belinelli IMO and Morrow may just work his way ahead of him in the depth chart too.
     
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    Mullin's signings are actually looking pretty good now that more FAs have signed. Monta's 6yr/66 mil looks great next to Luol Deng's 6/70 (even Mags' contract looks decent compared to that). Biedrins 6/54 is fantastic compared to Okafor's 6/72. Hell even Turiaf at 4 mils/year looks good since Kwame Brown just got the same annual salary. Although I still don't like the Mags signing much I am realizing that hes paid a lot less than comparable players who are 20 ppg scorers.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HiRez @ Jul 29 2008, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ryan @ Jul 29 2008, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Legacy @ Jul 29 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you guys think Nellie will really play the younger players, or just have a 7 man rotation again? If he uses everyone, we could be pretty good.</div>

    I'd bet he uses an 8 man rotation with Williams, KA, and Turiaf off the bench. Wright might see limited minutes to start but they will either go way up or way down depending on how he starts the season. I think Beli and Randolph will barely see the floor.
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    I think that's about right, though I do think Randolph will have a chance to play a few minutes. Even though he is a rook, and raw, he's so darned flexible that I think Nellie will not be able to resist the temptation of trying him out all over the place. Nelson is all about playing mismatches and Randolph may have the capability to create a lot of those and he seems like he might have that special something that Monta had where he just will not be denied a larger role.

    I don't see Belinelli getting more than 8-12 mpg. I'm sorry, but I just don't see NBA-level skills from this guy that translate to big minutes. At best he's a shooting specialist and I'm not even sure he's consistent or disciplined enough for that role. He's a huge defensive liability on the floor with very little lateral quickness and as we saw the last few years, that's going to hurt you on most nights. Trying to outscore your opponents can take you part way, but to move up into elite category, you have to play some defense. On a team with no scorers Belinelli might be more valuable, but the Warriors already have lots of big-time scorers, and streaky perimeter threats with Harrington, Jackson, Williams, and Morrow (maybe Maggette in there too). Azubuike is more valuable than Belinelli IMO and Morrow may just work his way ahead of him in the depth chart too.
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    Man, I don't disagree with you on Bellinelli's faults, but I think his potential is much greater than you say. I think I'm the only one on the board that believes in the Italian. I believe!!! Someone make me an avatar that says "I Believe" in the Warriors "We Believe" font. Thanks [​IMG]
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Jul 29 2008, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Someone make me an avatar that says "I Believe" in the Warriors "We Believe" font. Thanks [​IMG]</div>

    I want one a those too...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlleyOop @ Jul 30 2008, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Jul 29 2008, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Someone make me an avatar that says "I Believe" in the Warriors "We Believe" font. Thanks [​IMG]</div>

    I want one a those too...

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    Someone with Illustrator skillz needs to step up!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Jul 30 2008, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlleyOop @ Jul 30 2008, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Jul 29 2008, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Someone make me an avatar that says "I Believe" in the Warriors "We Believe" font. Thanks [​IMG]</div>

    I want one a those too...

    </div>

    Someone with Illustrator skillz needs to step up!
    </div>

    Wait, in honor of your love for Belinelli, shouldn't that be "I believe!" In Italian? [​IMG] Google Translate suggests "Credo!"
     
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    A bit late on my part, but yes!

    Biedrins is the type of young, new generation, mobile and athletic PF/C that all teams are looking for. The price is great, and one that the Warriors should be happy paying.

    Like Custodian, I'm optimistic about this season. If anything, it'll be a fun team to watch, but for different reasons. I'll never forget Baron and his antics that led the Ws to the playoffs, but the storylines this year are different, although just as intriguing.

    We'll be seeing how Monta takes ownership of this new team, our young players and athletes grow over a season, seeing how Randolph fits with Nellie's system, etc.

    I can't wait!
     

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