<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/x1dtP5dBHdo&"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/x1dtP5dBHdo&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350" /></embed></object></div></div> Wow, his Hillary response was a classic.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jul 30 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What irritates me the most about Obama is how he insults my intelligence with his change propaganda. Obama is a typical politician and his sleeziness shouldn't be underestimated. I'm sure McCain knows better after Obama tried to swiftboat McCain's military record. How Bush-league, Mr. Obama! My favorite move is how quickly Obama his commitment to public campaign financing once he realized how much money his campaign was making. Why win an election based on the issues when you can buy it outright? What a jackass. I'm not sure there's a huge difference between either candidate, except that Obama doesn't have the experience that a president should have and his plan for immediate withdrawl from Iraq is irresponsible, so don't try to sell me some stupid notion of Washington being different after this election. (I don't like us being in Iraq, but I don't think we can just leave it now.) Before people accuse me of being a racist (that will happen because people tend to make baseless accusations when they don't possess the intellectual acuity to debate points), let me say that I have no problem with a black man being president. However, just because Barack Obama is a black man that doesn't make him the right man. Personally, there was a time when I had hope that Colin Powell might be that man (not because of his race, but the content of his character), but since the Cheney administration set Powell up, by having him present the case for invading Iraq, I doubt that will ever happen.</div> Again, how did Obama try to swiftboat McCain's military record? I'm aware of General Wesley Clark's comments and I don't see anything wrong with what he said. He said he respects McCain's time of service and time as P.O.W. but that alone doesn't qualify him to be president, especially considering the gaffes McCain has made when discussing foreign policy. About the public financing, I don't see what's wrong with using the money that MILLIONS of people volunteered to give to try and better the campaign. Frankly I believe Obama needs the money to get his face out to the public more since he is still relatively unknown on the political scene to most of America. With McCain's recent advertisements it's hard to argue that he is making it a campaign based on issues seeing as how he has repeatedly questioned Obama's patriotism. How is Obama's plan for a 16 month withdrawal based on conditions on the ground irresponsible? Even McCain said that it makes sense and the Bush administration is finally giving in on time "horizons". No one is saying that Obama is the right man because he's a black man, people are saying he's the right man because he's the most competent out of the two. Before you accuse me of being an Obama lover (which you may assume based on my response) I am not. I once was but given his recent positional changes on FISA and gun control I'm questioning of whether or not I will vote at all.
The most priceless thing about what Gen. Clark said is that McCain doesn't have the military qualifications to be President, but he's backing a community organizer with 3 years in the Senate to be Commander in Chief. In short, it was bullshit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most priceless thing about what Gen. Clark said is that McCain doesn't have the military qualifications to be President, but he's backing a community organizer with 3 years in the Senate to be Commander in Chief. In short, it was bullshit.</div> No that wasn't his point at all. Its that someone wearing their military qualifications on there sleeve like he is, is going to get called out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most priceless thing about what Gen. Clark said is that McCain doesn't have the military qualifications to be President, but he's backing a community organizer with 3 years in the Senate to be Commander in Chief. In short, it was bullshit.</div> No that wasn't his point at all. Its that someone wearing their military qualifications on there sleeve like he is, is going to get called out. </div> This somebody who ran for President on his military record alone and lost, and defended Kerry against the swift boat now finds it proper to attack McCain for his military service.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most priceless thing about what Gen. Clark said is that McCain doesn't have the military qualifications to be President, but he's backing a community organizer with 3 years in the Senate to be Commander in Chief. In short, it was bullshit.</div> No that wasn't his point at all. Its that someone wearing their military qualifications on there sleeve like he is, is going to get called out. </div> This somebody who ran for President on his military record alone and lost, and defended Kerry against the swift boat now finds it proper to attack McCain for his military service. </div> Most of what he said was quite valid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most priceless thing about what Gen. Clark said is that McCain doesn't have the military qualifications to be President, but he's backing a community organizer with 3 years in the Senate to be Commander in Chief. In short, it was bullshit.</div> No that wasn't his point at all. Its that someone wearing their military qualifications on there sleeve like he is, is going to get called out. </div> This somebody who ran for President on his military record alone and lost, and defended Kerry against the swift boat now finds it proper to attack McCain for his military service. </div> Most of what he said was quite valid. </div> It's still hypocritical and ironic that he backs Obama to be Commander in Chief.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The most priceless thing about what Gen. Clark said is that McCain doesn't have the military qualifications to be President, but he's backing a community organizer with 3 years in the Senate to be Commander in Chief. In short, it was bullshit.</div> No that wasn't his point at all. Its that someone wearing their military qualifications on there sleeve like he is, is going to get called out. </div> This somebody who ran for President on his military record alone and lost, and defended Kerry against the swift boat now finds it proper to attack McCain for his military service. </div> Most of what he said was quite valid. </div> It's still hypocritical and ironic that he backs Obama to be Commander in Chief. </div> I don't see the big deal to be honest. The only dubious comment was when he referred to his POW years. I wouldn't have said that, but so what? That's not the important point.
That "reaching across the parties" rhetoric has always been hollow no matter who's said it (and both parties have). America's two party system is so entrenched and people are so committed to meaningless party affiliations that I don't see it being possible for a long time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 30 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Between Obama and McCain, who do you feel is the most competant?</div> McCain, if only because his name reminds me of Die Hard movies and a deep and delicous cake.
Don't be fooled into thinking Clarke or anyone else who's attacked Hillary or McCain was working on their own. It's a stupid fool the people trick to have a surrogate make these kinds of attacks to the candidate can take the high road. It's not unexpected that the surrogate gets "fired" from the campaign, once he's done his/her damage.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't be fooled into thinking Clarke or anyone else who's attacked Hillary or McCain was working on their own. It's a stupid fool the people trick to have a surrogate make these kinds of attacks to the candidate can take the high road. It's not unexpected that the surrogate gets "fired" from the campaign, once he's done his/her damage.</div> Well in this case, I don't think anyone can figure out if he was a tool or just expressing his own personal opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't be fooled into thinking Clarke or anyone else who's attacked Hillary or McCain was working on their own. It's a stupid fool the people trick to have a surrogate make these kinds of attacks to the candidate can take the high road. It's not unexpected that the surrogate gets "fired" from the campaign, once he's done his/her damage.</div> Well in this case, I don't think anyone can figure out if he was a tool or just expressing his own personal opinion. </div> Don't be fooled. He was a tool.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't be fooled into thinking Clarke or anyone else who's attacked Hillary or McCain was working on their own. It's a stupid fool the people trick to have a surrogate make these kinds of attacks to the candidate can take the high road. It's not unexpected that the surrogate gets "fired" from the campaign, once he's done his/her damage.</div> Well in this case, I don't think anyone can figure out if he was a tool or just expressing his own personal opinion. </div> Don't be fooled. He was a tool. </div> Any particular reason?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't be fooled into thinking Clarke or anyone else who's attacked Hillary or McCain was working on their own. It's a stupid fool the people trick to have a surrogate make these kinds of attacks to the candidate can take the high road. It's not unexpected that the surrogate gets "fired" from the campaign, once he's done his/her damage.</div> Well in this case, I don't think anyone can figure out if he was a tool or just expressing his own personal opinion. </div> Don't be fooled. He was a tool. </div> Any particular reason? </div> Assume all the surrogates are tools, until proven otherwise. If what you see fits what I posted earlier, you're falling for a scam otherwise.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't be fooled into thinking Clarke or anyone else who's attacked Hillary or McCain was working on their own. It's a stupid fool the people trick to have a surrogate make these kinds of attacks to the candidate can take the high road. It's not unexpected that the surrogate gets "fired" from the campaign, once he's done his/her damage.</div> Well in this case, I don't think anyone can figure out if he was a tool or just expressing his own personal opinion. </div> Don't be fooled. He was a tool. </div> Any particular reason? </div> Assume all the surrogates are tools, until proven otherwise. If what you see fits what I posted earlier, you're falling for a scam otherwise. </div> That's too much speculation for my taste. I could buy him getting fed a talking point where he should bring up that McCain wasn't leading any brigades, etc. , that's all really. These supporters get so emotional sometimes, I know I do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 30 2008, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 30 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't be fooled into thinking Clarke or anyone else who's attacked Hillary or McCain was working on their own. It's a stupid fool the people trick to have a surrogate make these kinds of attacks to the candidate can take the high road. It's not unexpected that the surrogate gets "fired" from the campaign, once he's done his/her damage.</div> Well in this case, I don't think anyone can figure out if he was a tool or just expressing his own personal opinion. </div> Don't be fooled. He was a tool. </div> Any particular reason? </div> Assume all the surrogates are tools, until proven otherwise. If what you see fits what I posted earlier, you're falling for a scam otherwise. </div> That's too much speculation for my taste. I could buy him getting fed a talking point where he should bring up that McCain wasn't leading any brigades, etc. , that's all really. These supporters get so emotional sometimes, I know I do. </div> You're neither a public figure nor officially affiliated with the campaign. Obama's got all the money in the world to campaign and hire staff. He's hired the best campaign advisers and he's going to listen to them. Their job is to get surrogates to pull this shit.
The last time we had a likeable guy running was 2000 and we all know how that turned out. Obama is okay but too liberal for my taste. He IMO is pragmatic enough to move to the center on some issues but is it worth listening to the left whine any more. Denny is right about the STFU factor. It appears the left is whining that the slice of cake they got isn't big enough. Dale has a point about the whole change issue being insulting. Change what? Change how? Yes, we can! Can what & why? Like the old saying and Cinderella song; the more things change, the more they stay the same. The whole rise of Obama reminds me of The Icarus Agenda by Robert Ludlum.
