As far as the Bulls, I think the upside of things is they've got a fair amount of leverage with Gordon. With Deng I could see several teams willing and able to pay. With Gordon, I'm not seeing that. Gordon's offers seem to be reducing to going overseas or... what? Who's going to offer a sign and trade? I sort of think the Sixers are a good fit for Gordon, and maybe the Knicks, but otherwise I don't see a lot of options out there. And as best I can tell, no team has contacted the Bulls the way they have with Deng. Also if I were Gordon, I'd be scared to death of taking the QO from the Bulls. They'll bury him.
If he was on any other team I think the GM would just tell him to GTFO out of here and have fun in Europe. His demands are absurd. However, hes in Chicago and Paxson seems to insanely overrate and over-value his players so there is also a good chance he does get a huge contract in Chicago. I'll say 60% chance he re-ups with Chicago to a huge contract, 30% that he plays in Europe, and 10% he takes the QO.
Sixers? Hm. Well, they may have to pay the lux tax, but if they wanna trade for an expiring, they could always just trade for Andre Miller...and then buy his contract out. Think Denver might actually want to address their lack of a good shooter? Maybe they'll put that trade exception to good use. Or, find another team with a good trade exception. If either of those don't work out, it's either QO or Europe. I just couldn't see the Bulls going into the lux tax, especially with a team the doesn't look like it will be competing this season for anything.
ESPN says: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The immediate prospects for Gordon, by contrast, are much harder to gauge. ESPN.com reported earlier this month that there is some sentiment in the Bulls' organization to keep Kirk Hinrich -- a Reinsdorf favorite -- and play him at shooting guard alongside Rose and Deng while attempting to move Gordon via sign-and-trade. Sources said Tuesday that Gordon indeed has been shopped by the Bulls this month in various sign-and-trade scenarios.</div> The Bulls are calling around to move Gordon, not fielding calls from other teams it would appear.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 30 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sixers? Hm. Well, they may have to pay the lux tax, but if they wanna trade for an expiring, they could always just trade for Andre Miller...and then buy his contract out. Think Denver might actually want to address their lack of a good shooter? Maybe they'll put that trade exception to good use. Or, find another team with a good trade exception. If either of those don't work out, it's either QO or Europe. I just couldn't see the Bulls going into the lux tax, especially with a team the doesn't look like it will be competing this season for anything.</div> I dunno, Denver would go over the tax threshold themselves, so that's an issue. The Sixers make sense to me at least because they could really use a shooter like Ben. He's a better version of Willie Green, who's been starting for them. I wouldn't want Andre Miller back though, and I doubt the Sixers would give him. Which is a problem. Maybe they'd give Jason Smith and/or a future pick and Green?
^ Haha I dont see us trading for another guard (especially if its a weaker version of Ben) considering the guard jam we already have. Now Jason Smith might be intriguing cuz he can play 4 and prolly the 5 (cuz of his height).
I don't read into the articles that the Bulls aren't fielding calls for Gordon. That bit seems a stretch. I would add Miami to the potential teams who'd love Gordon. We could deal for Marion, since he seems to be taking PT from the new guy. They also have a capable starter to step right in. NJ or Portland might be interested in Nocioni, which could put is in a situation we pay the LT for a season and can still afford him under the LT next season and beyond.
i personally love gordon... but having him on my team ( the nets ) would give us so many problems defensively with harris and gordon at the 1 - 2.... we would get posted up by bigger 1s and 2s
Gordon should sign the QO, play out the deal and become a free agent....if he cant get his long term deal next offseason, take someones MLE, win a title as the 6th man, and then get free in 2010 when teams will have more cap space than brains....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 30 2008, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon should sign the QO, play out the deal and become a free agent....if he cant get his long term deal next offseason, take someones MLE, win a title as the 6th man, and then get free in 2010 when teams will have more cap space than brains....</div> See, I started out thinking that, but if he takes the QO the writing is on the wall that he's gone from Chicago. John Paxson has basically said Gordon will be a starter over Paxson's dead body. So what are the Bulls going to do to his role and playing time midway through a meaningless season (for the team) when Gordon's on the QO? They're going to de-emphasize him and start "playing for the future" with <strike>Aaron Rogers</strike> Thabo, Larry Hughes, Kirk Hinrich, etc. Gordon limps off into free agency and gets totally screwed.
Normally, that would screw him, but since the really big money is 2 seasons away, he can take his role on the bench for a season, sign a one year deal next year to start, and then be free in 2010....the other option is to go to Europe, but Id take the QO....
Ben has to accept that he isn't a starter on most NBA teams. Unfortunately for him, he wants to get paid like a high priced SG. Atlantic Boston - no starting spot Toronto - no starting spot NY - the team is a mess, so who knows. I guess the Bulls could always try to get Crawford back NJ - no starting spot Philly - no starting spot unless Iggy is S&T'd out of town. With Brand on the team, Thaddeus Young will play SF and Iggy SG. Central Milwaukee - no starting spot, but it would be hilarious for him to end up there Detroit - no starting spot Cleveland - he could start there, but who would they send back in an S&T Indiana - no starting spot Southeast Miami - possible starting spot, but he forces Wade to play too much PG Orlando - available starting spot, but it would be foolish for them to give up assets to fill their least important position Washington - no starting spot Atlanta - no starting spot Charlotte - possible starting spot if Okafor stops bitching and plays Center Northwest Denver - no starting spot even if AI is traded, plus JR Smith is better Utah - no starting spot Portland - no starting spot Minnesota - possible starting spot depending of Foye's recovery and how they use Mike Miller OKC - no starting spot Southwest SA - no starting spot Houston - no starting spot Dallas - no starting spot NO - possible starting spot, but it would kill their defense Memphis - no starting spot Pacific GS - no starting spot LAL - no starting spot LAC - possible starting spot, but they have a better Gordon PHX - no starting spot SAC - no starting spot
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 30 2008, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Normally, that would screw him, but since the really big money is 2 seasons away, he can take his role on the bench for a season, sign a one year deal next year to start, and then be free in 2010....the other option is to go to Europe, but Id take the QO....</div> I'd be quite a bit less sure of myself if I'm him. Europe sounds like a better deal to me. What's the downside of going there? He'll live higher on the hog and probably be in that much more demand when he comes back. ---------------------------- cpaw, didn't the Sixers start Willie Green for most of the year at SG. Iggy plays the 3 more and Young played 3/4. So that looks like a pretty good fit for him to me. They don't have a lot to offer the Bulls in return, but if the Sixers really want to take a step up, swapping Green and say, Jason Smith for Gordon would bring a lot to them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MikeDC @ Jul 30 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>cpaw, didn't the Sixers start Willie Green for most of the year at SG. Iggy plays the 3 more and Young played 3/4. So that looks like a pretty good fit for him to me. They don't have a lot to offer the Bulls in return, but if the Sixers really want to take a step up, swapping Green and say, Jason Smith for Gordon would bring a lot to them.</div> Yes, Young played the 3 & 4, but Brand changes everything. Iggy can play either the 2 or 3 and Young is much, much better than Willie Green. Also, Stefanski isn't a fan of short for their position players.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 30 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MikeDC @ Jul 30 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>cpaw, didn't the Sixers start Willie Green for most of the year at SG. Iggy plays the 3 more and Young played 3/4. So that looks like a pretty good fit for him to me. They don't have a lot to offer the Bulls in return, but if the Sixers really want to take a step up, swapping Green and say, Jason Smith for Gordon would bring a lot to them.</div> Yes, Young played the 3 & 4, but Brand changes everything. Iggy can play either the 2 or 3 and Young is much, much better than Willie Green. Also, Stefanski isn't a fan of short for their position players. </div> Miller Iggy Young Brand Dalembert Not a shooter amongst them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MikeDC @ Jul 31 2008, 08:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 30 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MikeDC @ Jul 30 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>cpaw, didn't the Sixers start Willie Green for most of the year at SG. Iggy plays the 3 more and Young played 3/4. So that looks like a pretty good fit for him to me. They don't have a lot to offer the Bulls in return, but if the Sixers really want to take a step up, swapping Green and say, Jason Smith for Gordon would bring a lot to them.</div> Yes, Young played the 3 & 4, but Brand changes everything. Iggy can play either the 2 or 3 and Young is much, much better than Willie Green. Also, Stefanski isn't a fan of short for their position players. </div> Miller Iggy Young Brand Dalembert Not a shooter amongst them. </div> Both Iggy and Young are better shooters than Willie Green. Brand has a very good mid-range game. That is also a significantly better defensive lineup than one with Ben Gordon in it. Besides, they need to have playing time for Louis Williams coming off the bench. It would completely ridiculous for Philly to pay Ben Gordon what he wants and give up assets to get him.
I think it's an exaggeration to suggest that untested rookies on a lot of those teams would beat out a proven 25 year old 20 PPG scorer who's a deadly shooter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MikeDC @ Jul 30 2008, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 30 2008, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon should sign the QO, play out the deal and become a free agent....if he cant get his long term deal next offseason, take someones MLE, win a title as the 6th man, and then get free in 2010 when teams will have more cap space than brains....</div> See, I started out thinking that, but if he takes the QO the writing is on the wall that he's gone from Chicago. John Paxson has basically said Gordon will be a starter over Paxson's dead body. So what are the Bulls going to do to his role and playing time midway through a meaningless season (for the team) when Gordon's on the QO? They're going to de-emphasize him and start "playing for the future" with <strike>Aaron Rogers</strike> Thabo, Larry Hughes, Kirk Hinrich, etc. Gordon limps off into free agency and gets totally screwed. </div> 1. When did Paxson say that (that Gordon won't start?) 2. Why doesn't Paxson want him starting? 3. When did Paxson become head coach?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 31 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's an exaggeration to suggest that untested rookies on a lot of those teams would beat out a proven 25 year old 20 PPG scorer who's a deadly shooter.</div> He scored 20+ PPG once in his career and it wasn't last season.
I think Ben Gordon is probably doomed to these types of scenarios for most of his career. He's too weird of a player to fit in easily with most teams, but he's too good not to consider. He's just not Gilbert Areans or Allen Iverson good, where you can tolerate their uniqueness. I can't really think of any good S&T scenarios for him, but I imagine that's the path things are going to take. Anyway we could package Gordon, Noc, and Gooden for one really nice player?
