The comparisons have been made.... and while they both bring different things to the table, I thought I'd start a poll on it anyway. 238 carries, 1341 yards, 5.6 ypc, 12 TDs rushing 19 receptions, 268 yards, 1 TD receiving Its going to take a heckuva season by McFadden to match that. Peterson had some advantages in his favor; a better OL for example. Both teams have QBs who are less than solid thus far (though, Russell is clearly a great prospect). Oakland has a better WR group to alleviate pressure from their run game. Both teams have pretty good "other" RBs (Oakland with Fargas; Minn with Taylor). So which one will have had the better rookie year? I don't think McFadden's rookie year will be on the same level as Petersons. Not because of talent; McFadden clearly has it. But I think Oakland won't be in the position to run the ball as much as Minnesota was last year.... nor will they be as committed to the run game as Minnesota was (Russell at least has some weapons to throw too). I think McFadden tops the 1000 yard marker (barring injury). And I think McFadden will have better receiving numbers.... but I think the 12 rushing TDs, 5.6 ypc, and 1341 yards will be a little out of reach for McFadden.....unless McFadden gets 275-300 carries...
I doubt McFadden's rookie season will be as good as AP's. Like you said, the Vikings had a better O-Line and fewer options on offense. The Raiders can run block very well with the zone blocking scheme but D-Mac is also sharing touches with Fargas and Michael Bush and Kiffin has said he'll be using him all over the field. Also like you mentioned, the Raiders have Russell, Javon Walker, Ronald Curry, Zach Miller, etc. which isn't that formidable of a passing threat right now but still much better than Minny's. Overall, McFadden's rookie season probably won't be as good as AP's but he'll probably have much better receiving numbers.
I dont think Run DMC matches AP's rookie season either, but I wont be suprised if he has 2x the career....I really do believe AP's running style will lead to a short inconsistent career....
I don't see how you can even compare them at this point. Peterson was the best running back in the NFL last season. McFadden hasn't played a down in the league. You just can't compare them.
AP will have the better rookie season. What he did was amazing. I don't think the Raiders have a good supporting cast to get McFadden a year like Peterson's.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see how you can even compare them at this point. Peterson was the best running back in the NFL last season. McFadden hasn't played a down in the league. You just can't compare them.</div> Were just trying to compare who has the better rookie year? I see nothing wrong with that. Especially considering both were the best prospect at their position in back to back years and blue chip prospects....and there are some similar physical characteristics.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see how you can even compare them at this point. Peterson was the best running back in the NFL last season. McFadden hasn't played a down in the league. You just can't compare them.</div> Lets no go crazy now....AP had a great year, but even in a down year, LT was better....more yards, more TDs, more catches, more impact....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont think Run DMC matches AP's rookie season either, but I wont be suprised if he has 2x the career....I really do believe AP's running style will lead to a short inconsistent career....</div> We'll see. Peterson's ability to cut at full speed has me drooling. I think he'll be fine and have a long career, unless Minnesota institutes the Larry Johnson game plan (ie; 400 carry season) on him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see how you can even compare them at this point. Peterson was the best running back in the NFL last season. McFadden hasn't played a down in the league. You just can't compare them.</div> Lets no go crazy now....AP had a great year, but even in a down year, LT was better....more yards, more TDs, more catches, more impact.... </div> Let us not also forget Brian Westbrook....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see how you can even compare them at this point. Peterson was the best running back in the NFL last season. McFadden hasn't played a down in the league. You just can't compare them.</div> Lets no go crazy now....AP had a great year, but even in a down year, LT was better....more yards, more TDs, more catches, more impact.... </div> Go to the Vikings-Chargers game boxscore and tell me that. Here you go
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Jul 31 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont think Run DMC matches AP's rookie season either, but I wont be suprised if he has 2x the career....I really do believe AP's running style will lead to a short inconsistent career....</div> We'll see. Peterson's ability to cut at full speed has me drooling. I think he'll be fine and have a long career, unless Minnesota institutes the Larry Johnson game plan (ie; 400 carry season) on him. </div> Hes never played a season, pro or college, where he didnt miss games....its not because hes a puss, its because he runs to contact and hes an upright runner....thats ok, the league is littered with guys that ran to contact and had some great seasons, they just dont last a long time, for the most part....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see how you can even compare them at this point. Peterson was the best running back in the NFL last season. McFadden hasn't played a down in the league. You just can't compare them.</div> Lets no go crazy now....AP had a great year, but even in a down year, LT was better....more yards, more TDs, more catches, more impact.... </div> Go to the Vikings-Chargers game boxscore and tell me that. Here you go </div> are you seriously going to try to make a season out of a one game performance?
Take out Petersons too biggest games, and he had 800 yards in 12 games....not exactly lighting it up....the guy broke 100 yards 6 times in 14 games....as good as he was, he wasnt really a consistant performer last year....LT had a down year, the worst year hes had in ages, and still had more 100 yard games....I dont think they are even comparable players at this point, LT is waaaaaaay better....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see how you can even compare them at this point. Peterson was the best running back in the NFL last season. McFadden hasn't played a down in the league. You just can't compare them.</div> Lets no go crazy now....AP had a great year, but even in a down year, LT was better....more yards, more TDs, more catches, more impact.... </div> Go to the Vikings-Chargers game boxscore and tell me that. Here you go </div> 1. Running vs the Vikings run defense is different than running against the Chargers run defense (not that San Diego is bad). 2. One game does not make a season
Hey, it's a head to head showdown with Peterson easily taking the cake, but fine, that's one game. Let's go by the season: Peterson- 238 carries, 1341 yards, 5.6 avg, 12 td's LT- 315 carries, 1474 yards, 4.7 average, 15 td's So LT's stats are better but keep this in mind: LT played and started in all 16 games last season, while Peterson played in 14 games and only started 9 of them (started off with Chester Taylor as the starter). Had Peterson started from the beginning of the year on, he would have made up the difference in yards quite quickly. Not starting in 5 of the 14 games you played in is going to put quite a toll on your numbers. LT had two big carry game worth amount of carries more than Peterson with 77.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Jul 31 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont think Run DMC matches AP's rookie season either, but I wont be suprised if he has 2x the career....I really do believe AP's running style will lead to a short inconsistent career....</div> We'll see. Peterson's ability to cut at full speed has me drooling. I think he'll be fine and have a long career, unless Minnesota institutes the Larry Johnson game plan (ie; 400 carry season) on him. </div> Hes never played a season, pro or college, where he didnt miss games....its not because hes a puss, its because he runs to contact and hes an upright runner....thats ok, the league is littered with guys that ran to contact and had some great seasons, they just dont last a long time, for the most part.... </div> The point about running to contact is legitimate. He needs to adapt a bit. However... as for his injuries.... a broken collarbone can happen to any RB. As for his knee injury last year, I saw the hit... any RB would probably have been hurt too. But he has the speed to outrun problems and avoid contact. Once he learns that... he'll be fine.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Jul 31 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I doubt McFadden's rookie season will be as good as AP's. Like you said, the Vikings had a better O-Line and fewer options on offense. The Raiders can run block very well with the zone blocking scheme but D-Mac is also sharing touches with Fargas and Michael Bush and Kiffin has said he'll be using him all over the field. Also like you mentioned, the Raiders have Russell, Javon Walker, Ronald Curry, Zach Miller, etc. which isn't that formidable of a passing threat right now but still much better than Minny's. Overall, McFadden's rookie season probably won't be as good as AP's but he'll probably have much better receiving numbers.</div> Right. Here is the word on the street: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>During kickoff drills early in practice, running back Darren McFadden was deep and running kickoffs hard up the middle. Kiffin mentioned McFadden as a possibility for return duty on occasion. – Expect McFadden to be utilized only in crucial situations, in games where the Raiders need a strike at the end of a half or game, or when they are struggling on offense and need a momentum switch. To use him at all in that role in the preseason would be a questionable use of a major investment.</div> Fargas will probably get half the carries this season at HB. That means Peterson automatically wins this poll.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, it's a head to head showdown with Peterson easily taking the cake, but fine, that's one game. Let's go by the season: Peterson- 238 carries, 1341 yards, 5.6 avg, 12 td's LT- 315 carries, 1474 yards, 4.7 average, 15 td's So LT's stats are better but keep this in mind: LT played and started in all 16 games last season, while Peterson played in 14 games and only started 9 of them (started off with Chester Taylor as the starter). Had Peterson started from the beginning of the year on, he would have made up the difference in yards quite quickly. not starting in 5 of the 14 games you played in is going to put quite a toll on your numbers. LT had two big carry game worth amount of carries more than Peterson with 77.</div> But its NOT a head to head showdown. They are running against DIFFERENT defenses.... and they have NO impact on what their team's defense does. You are trying to compare an apple to an orange by saying "voila. They are both fruit; therefore, they are the same."
If we are winning a game, we won't be sticking DMC in there, pounding the ball to wind down the clock. Fargas and Bush will be doing that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, it's a head to head showdown with Peterson easily taking the cake, but fine, that's one game. Let's go by the season: Peterson- 238 carries, 1341 yards, 5.6 avg, 12 td's LT- 315 carries, 1474 yards, 4.7 average, 15 td's So LT's stats are better but keep this in mind: LT played and started in all 16 games last season, while Peterson played in 14 games and only started 9 of them (started off with Chester Taylor as the starter). Had Peterson started from the beginning of the year on, he would have made up the difference in yards quite quickly. Not starting in 5 of the 14 games you played in is going to put quite a toll on your numbers. LT had two big carry game worth amount of carries more than Peterson with 77.</div> Starting means jack. Last year, Julius Jones started 16 games vs Barber's 0. Who was the "feature" back?
