Fine, I admitted that it was one game, you're right it's a different defense. But now I'm going into the season stats.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 31 2008, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If we are winning a game, we won't be sticking DMC in there, pounding the ball to wind down the clock. Fargas and Bush will be doing that.</div> True. Did Minnesota do this with Peterson (as in, use Taylor to close out games instead of Peterson)?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, it's a head to head showdown with Peterson easily taking the cake, but fine, that's one game. Let's go by the season: Peterson- 238 carries, 1341 yards, 5.6 avg, 12 td's LT- 315 carries, 1474 yards, 4.7 average, 15 td's So LT's stats are better but keep this in mind: LT played and started in all 16 games last season, while Peterson played in 14 games and only started 9 of them (started off with Chester Taylor as the starter). Had Peterson started from the beginning of the year on, he would have made up the difference in yards quite quickly. not starting in 5 of the 14 games you played in is going to put quite a toll on your numbers. LT had two big carry game worth amount of carries more than Peterson with 77.</div> Look at APs last 4 games....he had hit the rookie wall....starting earlier likely would have accelerated him into that wall faster and he may have ended up with even less yards....I know your a Vikings fan, but think about what your arguing....your arguing a guy that started 9 games was the best at his position for the season....doesnt that seem a bit crazy to you? If he was so good, why the lack of starts? Why the 8 games where he didnt break 100 yards? Why the fall off in production in the last 4 weeks of the season when his team desperately needed him to get into the playoffs? the bottomline is that he had a good, yet inconsistant season....1/3rd of this rushing total came in 2 games....the rest of the season, he was an average RB, putting up 67 yards a game, barely enough to get to 1000 yards over 16 games....
SD's run blocking < Minnesota's http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php LT had a down year. But San Diego was hardly the beacon of run blocking prowess last year, either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Jul 31 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 31 2008, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If we are winning a game, we won't be sticking DMC in there, pounding the ball to wind down the clock. Fargas and Bush will be doing that.</div> True. Did Minnesota do this with Peterson (as in, use Taylor toclose out games instead of Peterson)? </div> I don't know. I thought that once they started playing Peterson, he got nearly all the touches before injury.
btw, its nice to have a fast moving heated football topic....hasnt happened in a while, the season must be close
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>btw, its nice to have a fast moving heated football topic....hasnt happened in a while, the season must be close</div> and the Donkeys just said goodbye to John Lynch. There goes half the clue on their defensive side. With B Marshall out of shape and inching his way toward suspension, my crystal ball is telling me Raider win in week 1.
Yeah, this thread is taking off quick. I figured it would (two blue chip prospects...). Just figured it would have happened sooner. Better later than never though.
He didn't start right away because of the performance Chester Taylor played the season prior to that. He had a great year and it would have looked awful to put in a rookie over him. This guy who only started 9 games last year and was still second in the league in rushing yards and rushing touchdowns, and not by a large margin either, just a little less than 1,000 yards. I will give you the point that he didn't perform at the very end of the year, where he was recovering from an injury that kept him out for a couple weeks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 31 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>btw, its nice to have a fast moving heated football topic....hasnt happened in a while, the season must be close</div> and the Donkeys just said goodbye to John Lynch. There goes half the clue on their defensive side. With B Marshall out of shape and inching his way toward suspension, my crystal ball is telling me Raider win in week 1. </div> Yep. Saw that too. Created a thread on it, actually. But the Broncos secondary has been overrated by the media for some time, anyway. Doubt the loss of Lynch hurts them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He didn't start right away because of the performance Chester Taylor played the season prior to that. He had a great year and it would have looked awful to put in a rookie over him. This guy who only started 9 games last year and was still second in the league in rushing yards and rushing touchdowns, and not by a large margin either, just a little less than 1,000 yards. I will give you the point that he didn't perform at the very end of the year, where he was recovering from an injury that kept him out for a couple weeks.</div> TheBeef is saying that Peterson was all over the place last year; great performances mixed in with duds. LT was more consistant. And that is why he was better last year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Adrian Peterson is sick!!!! </div> Try to find a cure, if he was well, he'd likely be more consistent
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Jul 31 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But the Broncos secondary has been overrated by the media for some time, anyway. Doubt the loss of Lynch hurts them.</div> I always thought Lynch was the smartest of the 4 backs. He was the captain. They are no less talented, just a little dumber in my opinion. That is advantageous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 31 2008, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Jul 31 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But the Broncos secondary has been overrated by the media for some time, anyway. Doubt the loss of Lynch hurts them.</div> I always thought Lynch was the smartest of the 4 backs. He was the captain. They are no less talented, just a little dumber in my opinion. That is advantageous. </div> Two CBs who gamble + loss of a S who understood angles = could lead to some easy scoring opportunities.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Jul 31 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Two CBs who gamble + loss of a S who understood angles = could lead to some easy scoring opportunities.</div> ...which is something I think will haunt them very soon... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It’s beginning to sound like a broken record but rookie running back Darren McFadden made yet another head-turning play. This time the first-round draft pick took a handoff from Russell and headed left when the defense started making a push in that direction and appeared to have the young runner pinned against the sideline But McFadden turned on the speed and turned the corner, barely making it through before racing up the field untouched the rest of the way...</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 31 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, it's a head to head showdown with Peterson easily taking the cake, but fine, that's one game. Let's go by the season: Peterson- 238 carries, 1341 yards, 5.6 avg, 12 td's LT- 315 carries, 1474 yards, 4.7 average, 15 td's So LT's stats are better but keep this in mind: LT played and started in all 16 games last season, while Peterson played in 14 games and only started 9 of them (started off with Chester Taylor as the starter). Had Peterson started from the beginning of the year on, he would have made up the difference in yards quite quickly. not starting in 5 of the 14 games you played in is going to put quite a toll on your numbers. LT had two big carry game worth amount of carries more than Peterson with 77.</div> Look at APs last 4 games....he had hit the rookie wall....starting earlier likely would have accelerated him into that wall faster and he may have ended up with even less yards....I know your a Vikings fan, but think about what your arguing....your arguing a guy that started 9 games was the best at his position for the season....doesnt that seem a bit crazy to you? If he was so good, why the lack of starts? Why the 8 games where he didnt break 100 yards? Why the fall off in production in the last 4 weeks of the season when his team desperately needed him to get into the playoffs? the bottomline is that he had a good, yet inconsistant season....1/3rd of this rushing total came in 2 games....the rest of the season, he was an average RB, putting up 67 yards a game, barely enough to get to 1000 yards over 16 games.... </div> Ummm...it wasn't "AD" hitting the rookie wall at all. It was the combination of Childress giving him less carries to keep him off him healing knee more and the fact that Minneosta had no other offense and teams were playing 8 and 9 man fronts just to stoip him. Not that I'm saying "AD" is better than "LT" or that it's his fault that his team has a passing game, but defenses can never play "just" LT, or they'll get burned by Gates or the receivers! "AD" never had that luxury. I don't think any RB can produce playing against 8-9 man fronts and healing a knee. So I wouldn't say he hit a wall....it's just that teams only had to worry about him while playing D. That's not inconsistantcy....How can you account for him getting the Pro-bowl MVP against the cream of the crop in defense? With even the best Defensive players they were hard pressed to stop him with a passing game on his side! And as for the lack of starts in the begining....that not due to talent, but to the coaching staff waiting to start him in fear that their starting RB Taylor deserved to at least start the season at their #1. But "AD" proved to be too good to keep as the #2
Did you just evoke the Pro Bowl as if its a real game? Half those guys show up to eat pineapple cocktails at the Wai Kiki and have no interest in playing the game.... the last 4 games of the season, he averaged 3 less carries a game than the rest of the season, yet he averaged 83 less yards per game....so a 3 carry dropoff translates into 83 yards less per game?? Meanwhile, over the same span, Chester Taylor nearly doubled APs yardage total and he did it on half as many carries....so Im not buying that the lack of a passing game made it impossible to run the football, cleary Taylor was still producing at a high level....He hit the wall, plain and simple....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you just evoke the Pro Bowl as if its a real game? Half those guys show up to eat pineapple cocktails at the Wai Kiki and have no interest in playing the game.... the last 4 games of the season, he averaged 3 less carries a game than the rest of the season, yet he averaged 83 less yards per game....so a 3 carry dropoff translates into 83 yards less per game?? Meanwhile, over the same span, Chester Taylor nearly doubled APs yardage total and he did it on half as many carries....so Im not buying that the lack of a passing game made it impossible to run the football, cleary Taylor was still producing at a high level....He hit the wall, plain and simple....</div> So are you saying that having the line stacked with 8-9 defensive linemen doesn't effect your yardage? Have you ever played football? It's ahrd enough finding holes in a defensive front without the whole secondary playing in to fill the gaps...seriously...how can you not see this?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jul 31 2008, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Jul 31 2008, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you just evoke the Pro Bowl as if its a real game? Half those guys show up to eat pineapple cocktails at the Wai Kiki and have no interest in playing the game.... the last 4 games of the season, he averaged 3 less carries a game than the rest of the season, yet he averaged 83 less yards per game....so a 3 carry dropoff translates into 83 yards less per game?? Meanwhile, over the same span, Chester Taylor nearly doubled APs yardage total and he did it on half as many carries....so Im not buying that the lack of a passing game made it impossible to run the football, cleary Taylor was still producing at a high level....He hit the wall, plain and simple....</div> So are you saying that having the line stacked with 8-9 defensive linemen doesn't effect your yardage? Have you ever played football? It's ahrd enough finding holes in a defensive front without the whole secondary playing in to fill the gaps...seriously...how can you not see this? </div> no, not what im saying, but thank you for the words....Im saying that the OTHER RB, Chester Taylor, did not see a drop off in yards over the same games....so if the fronts were 8-9 man fronts, as is being alledged, then why did one back continue to perform a high level while they other fell off considerably???? Taylor had nearly 2x the yards, on nearly half the carries....if he did that against 8-9 man fronts, then hes the best RB in the league....
