McCain accuses Obama of playing race card

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  1. Real

    Real Dumb and Dumbest

    A few months ago I said that New Jersey would not be in play.

    Seems as if as of now I'm wrong. Obama had a double digit lead in New Jersey, and that's evaporated. I believe some polls have it at around 5 points.

    New Jersey is one of the most liberal states in America. Republicans win in New Jersey, but there's almost always moderate Republicans like Tom Kean and Christie Whitman: Pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research, and pro-gun control. Even if McCain won here, and lost the election, that's an accomplishment.
     
  2. 44Thrilla

    44Thrilla cuatro cuatro

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sunsfan1357 @ Aug 1 2008, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did anyone happen to catch the McCain ad equating Obama to Moses?

    I don't know how to embed videos so just go to the link: [video=youtube;Id1IKJGVkvg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id1IKJGVkvg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id1IKJGVkvg[/video]</div>
    That's the video I was talking about in my post. They use footage of Obama doing an impression of Hillary mocking him out of context, trying to pass it off as something he was saying seriously.
     
  3. Lavalamp

    Lavalamp Member

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thrilla @ Aug 1 2008, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pZKxWrPQFXc&"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pZKxWrPQFXc&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350" /></embed></object></div>

    This one made me laugh. McCain makes a whole campaign ad about Barack neglecting to mention a latin american country in a speech.</div>
    ^^lol, I guess it might win some votes. But it seems pretty nit-picky.

    Here is sunsfans video embedded:
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    lol I thought this video was for Obama, up until the last 10 seconds.
     
  4. #1_War_Poet_ForLife

    #1_War_Poet_ForLife The Baker of Cakes

    "I'm John McCain, and I am Hispanic"
     
  5. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    McCain has no reason to stop the negative ads, they seem to be working.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6a42365c-5ffa-11...0077b07658.html

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    Democrats anxious for Obama to widen lead

    By Edward Luce in Washington

    Published: August 1 2008 20:08 | Last updated: August 1 2008 20:08

    In 1980, Ronald Reagan asked voters whether they felt better off than four years earlier. He went on to defeat Jimmy Carter a few weeks later. On Friday Barack Obama raised the same question: “Do you think that you are better off now than you were four years ago or eight years ago?” he asked voters in Florida. “And if you don’t . . . do you think you can afford another four years of the same failed economic policies that we’ve had under George W. Bush?”

    With unemployment on Friday jumping by 51,000 to take this year’s job losses to almost half a million, Mr Obama is mining a potentially rich seam. But a number of Democrats, including advisers to the Obama campaign, are worried that the Democratic party’s overall electoral advantage this year has not yet translated into comfortable leads for Mr Obama. On Friday Gallup showed Mr Obama just one point ahead of John McCain – a significant tightening in the past two weeks.

    Mr McCain’s improving fortunes have coincided with a strikingly negative turn in his campaign’s tactics, with the launch last weekend of an advertisement criticising Mr Obama for failing to visit wounded soldiers when he was in Germany because the Pentagon refused to permit the media to accompany him. That allegation has since been debunked.

    But the signs are that Mr McCain’s continuing attacks – most recently in a commercial that portrayed Mr Obama as a vapid celebrity against images of Paris Hilton and Britney Spears – may be striking a chord with the white working class voters who shunned Mr Obama so emphatically in many of his primary contests with Hillary Clinton.

    With just one month to go before Labour Day – the traditional beginning of the general election – and only three weeks before the Democratic convention, many Democrats fear that time is running out for Mr Obama to overcome the suspicions of this key swing vote.

    “We have got to move away from these beautifully choreographed speeches which appeal to groups of voters who are unassailably in the Obama camp already,” said a non-staff adviser to Mr Obama. “What plays well with the educated liberal voter sometimes grates with the blue-collar folk, whom we need on our side if we are going to win.”

    The numbers back up the concern. Although Mr Obama has a good shot at winning traditional Republican states such as Colorado, Virginia and even North Carolina, he cannot capture the White House if he loses more than one of Pennsylvania, Ohio or Michigan – the more traditional, blue-collar swing states, which Mrs Clinton won by huge margins in the primary contests. Polls suggest these states are too close to call.

    At this stage in the 1988 presidential race, Michael Dukakis, the Democratic candidate, had a 17 percentage point lead over George H.W. Bush, who went on to win the election. John Kerry emerged from the 2004 Democratic convention with a strong lead over George W. Bush only to lose the election as well. In 2008, conventional wisdom says Mr McCain is running a much less effective campaign than either of the Bushes.

    That only reinforces disquiet about Mr Obama’s inability so far to take a decisive lead. “Even on his worst day, Bill Clinton was able to signal that he understood voters’ concerns and that he felt their pain,” said Douglas Schoen, a Democratic consultant. “Obama has no trouble with the campaign stagecraft. But this isn’t Harvard, it’s the beer hall. He has to talk in language that people understand.”

    Conventional wisdom also suggests Mr McCain’s campaign overstepped the mark by moving on to direct negative attacks on Mr Obama’s character. But Mr Obama has also kept up a stream of material for them to exploit. At a meeting with Democratic lawmakers on Tuesday, he said he represented the world’s hopes for America. “This is the moment the world is waiting for,” he said when asked about his overseas trip. “I have become a symbol of restoring America to its best traditions.”

    The Obama campaign says the remarks were taken out of context. But reports such as this can still play badly in communities that pay little attention to foreign policy and are looking for empathy with their economic situation, say analysts. “Look, Obama has pulled off a good tour of Europe and it was probably necessary,” says a Democratic consultant who backed Mr Obama against Mrs Clinton. “What we need now is campaign events in hospital emergency rooms and in unemployment offices and small town diners. These people have a vote.”

    Given the McCain campaign’s barely concealed contempt for Mr Obama and Mr Obama’s occasional tendency to present his candidacy in soaring, epochal terms, many believe the pattern of negative attacks is now here to stay.

    “Obama obviously thinks very highly of himself,” says Juleanna Glover, an adviser to Mr McCain.

    “Not everybody shares that view.”
     
  6. 44Thrilla

    44Thrilla cuatro cuatro

    Polls will become meaningful in November. Right now they are a waste of time.
     
  7. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Obama has taken control of Pennsylvania, and every poll I've seen has him up in Florida where McCain had a double-digit lead a few months ago. I just don't see the Republicans winning it this year. Obama will probably edge McCain out in Ohio too (though Florida seems to make up for it in the electoral college, if Ohio doesn't work out).
     
  8. Real

    Real Dumb and Dumbest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Aug 2 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Obama has taken control of Pennsylvania, and every poll I've seen has him up in Florida where McCain had a double-digit lead a few months ago. I just don't see the Republicans winning it this year. Obama will probably edge McCain out in Ohio too (though Florida seems to make up for it in the electoral college, if Ohio doesn't work out).</div>

    RCP shows an average of McCain up by 0.5 in Florida.

    Right now it looks like PA would go Obama, but if McCain chooses Tom Ridge for VP that's not going to hold.
     
  9. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Aug 2 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Obama has taken control of Pennsylvania, and every poll I've seen has him up in Florida where McCain had a double-digit lead a few months ago. I just don't see the Republicans winning it this year. Obama will probably edge McCain out in Ohio too (though Florida seems to make up for it in the electoral college, if Ohio doesn't work out).</div>

    RCP shows an average of McCain up by 0.5 in Florida.

    Right now it looks like PA would go Obama, but if McCain chooses Tom Ridge for VP that's not going to hold.
    </div>

    McCain was plus 8 at the end of June in one of their polls (that gets averaged into the "+0.5"), over a month ago. Every poll since then has Obama with a +2 lead on RCP. I'm surprised Barry's in that position after what I saw in the primaries.

    Of course Obama is going through some tougher times, as far as the polls in general are concerned.
     
  10. Real

    Real Dumb and Dumbest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Aug 2 2008, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Aug 2 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Obama has taken control of Pennsylvania, and every poll I've seen has him up in Florida where McCain had a double-digit lead a few months ago. I just don't see the Republicans winning it this year. Obama will probably edge McCain out in Ohio too (though Florida seems to make up for it in the electoral college, if Ohio doesn't work out).</div>

    RCP shows an average of McCain up by 0.5 in Florida.

    Right now it looks like PA would go Obama, but if McCain chooses Tom Ridge for VP that's not going to hold.
    </div>

    McCain was plus 8 at the end of June in one of their polls (that gets averaged into the "+0.5"), over a month ago. Every poll since then has Obama with a +2 lead on RCP. I'm surprised Barry's in that position after what I saw in the primaries.

    Of course Obama is going through some tougher times, as far as the polls in general are concerned.
    </div>

    I was about to say, Obama's lead in states like Michigan and Ohio are shrinking.

    If Ridge were the VP pick, I wouldn't be shocked in the least bit if McCain won PA. From what I know about Ridge he was pretty damn popular in PA. Only thing wrong about picking him is he's pro-choice and he does lobbying work now.
     
  11. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 3 2008, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Aug 2 2008, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Aug 2 2008, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Aug 2 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Obama has taken control of Pennsylvania, and every poll I've seen has him up in Florida where McCain had a double-digit lead a few months ago. I just don't see the Republicans winning it this year. Obama will probably edge McCain out in Ohio too (though Florida seems to make up for it in the electoral college, if Ohio doesn't work out).</div>

    RCP shows an average of McCain up by 0.5 in Florida.

    Right now it looks like PA would go Obama, but if McCain chooses Tom Ridge for VP that's not going to hold.
    </div>

    McCain was plus 8 at the end of June in one of their polls (that gets averaged into the "+0.5"), over a month ago. Every poll since then has Obama with a +2 lead on RCP. I'm surprised Barry's in that position after what I saw in the primaries.

    Of course Obama is going through some tougher times, as far as the polls in general are concerned.
    </div>

    I was about to say, Obama's lead in states like Michigan and Ohio are shrinking.

    If Ridge were the VP pick, I wouldn't be shocked in the least bit if McCain won PA. From what I know about Ridge he was pretty damn popular in PA. Only thing wrong about picking him is he's pro-choice and he does lobbying work now.
    </div>

    Oh definitely he is struggling right now; wish this electoral stuff didn't matter. :]
     
  12. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    I think the democratic party insiders are worried that guys have had much bigger leads and seen them evaporate only to lose.
     
  13. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content...omment_that_way

    Only 22% Say McCain Ad Racist, But Over Half (53%) See Obama Dollar-bill Comment That Way

    Sixty-nine percent (69%) of the nation’s voters say they’ve seen news coverage of the McCain campaign commercial that includes images of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton and suggests that Barack Obama is a celebrity just like them. Of those, just 22% say the ad was racist while 63% say it was not.

    However, Obama’s comment that his Republican opponent will try to scare people because Obama does not look like all the other presidents on dollar bills was seen as racist by 53%. Thirty-eight percent (38%) disagree.

    Both campaigns expressed a desire to move beyond the recent flap. On Saturday Obama backed off the racism charge and accused McCain's campaign of cynicism instead. He also rejected McCain's charge that the Democrat himself had brought race into the campaign with his dollar bill comment.

    Two months after Obama clinched the Democratic Presidential Nomination, the race for the White House remains amazingly close in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

    Not surprisingly, the McCain ad generates significantly different perceptions along racial and ethnic lines. Most African-American voters—58%--saw the McCain ad as racist. Just 18% of white voters and 14% of all other voters shared that view. To watch the ad, click HERE.

    As for Obama’s comment, 53% of white voters saw it as racist, as did 44% of African-Americans and 61% of all other voters.

    There were also significant partisan divides. Democrats were evenly divided as to whether the McCain commercial was racist, and they were also evenly divided on the Obama comment. Republicans, by an 87% to 4% margin, rejected the notion that the McCain campaign ad was racist. But, by a 67% to 26% margin, GOP voters believe that Obama’s comment was racist.

    Unaffiliated voters, by a five-to-one margin, said the McCain ad was not racist. By a much narrower 50% to 38% margin, unaffiliateds viewed Obama’s comment as racist.

    Overall, just 22% of voters believe that most Americans are racist. That view is shared by 32% of Democrats, 20% of unaffiliated voters and 12% of Republicans. African-American voters are evenly divided on the question.
     
  14. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    ^^^ 22% is probably a good guess as to how many fanatical Obamaniacs there are out there.
     
  15. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content...l_tracking_poll



    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows the race for the White House is tied with Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 44% of the vote. However, when "leaners" are included, it’s McCain 47% and Obama 46%.

    This is the first time McCain has enjoyed even a statistically insignificant advantage of any sort since Obama clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3 (see recent daily results). Tracking Polls are released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time each day.

    A week ago today, Obama had a three-percentage point lead and the candidates were even among unaffiliated voters. Today, McCain leads 52% to 37% among unaffiliateds.

    McCain is currently viewed favorably by 55% of the nation’s voters, Obama by 51%. That is the lowest rating for Obama since he wrapped up the nomination. Obama is viewed favorably by 83% of Democrats, 22% of Republicans, and 47% of unaffiliated voters. For McCain, the numbers are 87% favorable among Republicans, 26% among Democrats, and 61% among unaffiliated voters.

    Sixty percent (60%) of voters now see Obama as politically liberal while 65% see McCain as politically conservative. Among liberals, 71% see Obama as one of them, but just 18% of liberals see Obama as Very Liberal. Among conservatives, 71% say McCain is also a conservative, including 38% who say he is Very Conservative. Thirty-five percent (35%) of politically moderate voters say that McCain is politically moderate and 33% say the same of Obama. Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Democrats see McCain as conservative while 69% of Republicans see Obama as liberal (see other recent demographic highlights).

    Forty-six percent (46%) of voters trust McCain more than Obama on energy issues while Obama is trusted more by 42%. Two months ago, Obama had a four point edge on the energy issue (Premium Members can review Crosstabs and Trends). The presumptive Democratic nominee is addressing economic issues in Michigan this morning and Rasmussen Reports will release polling data at 10:00 a.m. Eastern on his key proposals (available for Premium Members now at the Daily Snapshot).

    Forty-six percent (46%) of voters nationwide now say that Obama views U.S. society as unfair and discriminatory. That’s up from 43% in July and 39% in June. By a three-to-one margin, American voters hold the opposite view and believe that our society is generally fair and decent (Premium Members can review Crosstabs and Trends).

    Other key stats of Election 2008 are updated daily at Obama-McCain: By the Numbers.

    Polling data released earlier today showed that 46% say Affirmative Action programs are no longer necessary, but 32% believe they should continue.

    The number of Americans who consider themselves to be Democrats fell two percentage points in July. Obama’s party still enjoys a big advantage over the GOP, but the gap between the parties is the smallest it has been since January.

    Sixty-nine percent (69%) of voters have seen or heard news coverage of McCain’s ad including Britney Spears and Paris Hilton. Just 22% believe the ad was racist. But, most say Obama’s comment about not looking like other Presidents on the dollar bill was racist.

    Each Saturday morning, Rasmussen Reports takes a look at the week’s key polls to see What They Told Us. Earlier, Rasmussen Reports released data on a topic of interest to poll junkies and armchair campaign analysts alike--day-of-week polling bias. There is little evidence to support the notion that some days of the week poll better for Republicans while other days are better for Democrats.

    The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator currently shows now Obama leading in states with 210 Electoral College votes while McCain leads in states with 165 votes. When leaners are included, it’s Obama 273, McCain 227. Rasmussen Markets data gives Obama a 60.0 % chance of winning the White House.

    Daily tracking results are collected via telephone surveys of 1,000 likely voters per night and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. The margin of sampling error—for the full sample of 3,000 Likely Voters--is +/- 2 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Results are also compiled on a full-week basis and crosstabs for the full-week results are available for Premium Members.

    Like all polling firms, Rasmussen Reports weights its data to reflect the population at large. Among other targets, Rasmussen Reports weights data by political party affiliation using a dynamic weighting process. Our baseline targets are established based upon survey interviews with a sample of adults nationwide completed during the preceding three months (a total of 45,000 interviews). For the month of August, the targets are 40.6% Democrat, 31.6% Republican, and 27.8% unaffiliated. For July, the targets were 41.4% Democrat, 31.5% Republican, and 27.1% unaffiliated (see party trends and analysis).

    A review of last week’s key polls is posted each Saturday morning.
     
  16. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    ^^^ As long as the negative ads are working, expect to keep seeing them.

    Obama's ads have taken a sharp change of direction to the negative as well.

    Politics as usual.
     
  17. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Here's an interesting article by Bob Novak. He's 78 years old and deathly ill these days; he has been to newspaper press what Tim Russert was to TV.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?pri...es&id=27725

    Can McCain Back in Again?
    by Robert Novak
    Posted 07/28/2008 ET
    Updated 07/28/2008 ET

    WASHINGTON -- In the contest for president, Barack Obama is a magnetic candidate supported by a disciplined, well-organized campaign. John McCain seems wooden, with a campaign that appears to be in shambles. Yet Obama's lead in the polls over McCain is fragile because he so far has not won the support of a majority of American voters.

    An effective and massively publicized foreign trip failed to push Obama to the 50 percent mark. Hopes of Democrats and fears of Republicans that he would get a major bounce in the polls when he clinched the nomination and then on his campaigning abroad have not been realized.

    Overnight surveys by Gallup and Rasmussen for the past two weeks have shown Obama hovering around 46 percent, while McCain has declined from 45 percent to 41 percent after the wild acclaim for Obama in Berlin, for a 6-point deficit that is by no means insurmountable. These numbers have prompted speculation among Republican political practitioners that McCain can back into the presidency, just as he backed into his party's nomination.

    Not even Bob Dole's dismal candidacy in 1996 generated less enthusiasm in GOP ranks than McCain's current effort. However, in winning the nomination this year, when he had been counted out after the disintegration of his campaign structure, McCain showed more fortitude than skill. He was blessed by a weak field of Republican competitors, who eliminated each other and left McCain as the last man standing.

    But Obama is no Huckabee, Giuliani or Romney. He is the most spectacular campaigner of his generation, with appeal well beyond Democratic ranks. That he lingers below the 50 percent mark is a mystery among politicians of both parties. It is particularly troubling to Democrats who recall past Democratic candidates taking a huge lead over the summer before being overtaken or nearly overtaken by a surging Republican opponent. In 1976, Jimmy Carter took a 33-point summer lead over President Gerald Ford and won in a photo finish. In 1988, Michael Dukakis led George H.W. Bush by 17 points after being nominated in Atlanta before he lost the election. Al Gore and John Kerry were ahead of George W. Bush in the summer.

    One candid Republican consultant says that the massive Carter and Dukakis summer leads were illusory, based on large generic Democratic leads. But their generic lead is back at 15 points after 12 years of a Republican Congress and eight years of George W. Bush.

    Clearly, Obama has not yet closed the deal with the people to accept a young, inexperienced African-American as their president. Obama had virtually clinched the nomination when white working men in Pennsylvania, Ohio and West Virginia poured out to vote and carried their states comfortably for Hillary Clinton. It was not because of unalterable affection for her.

    Obama's difficulty in reaching the 50 percent mark reflects an overwhelmingly white undecided vote at 10 to 15 percent.

    These were target voters for Obama when he ventured into the war zones to demonstrate his mettle as a future commander in chief. He looked good, sounded good and committed no serious gaffes. But sitting by the popular Gen. David Petraeus and disagreeing with his military judgment may not have been the way to win over undecided white working men.

    The toughest interrogation of Obama was CBS anchor Katie Couric's in Jordan last Tuesday. She asked four different times whether the troop surge he had opposed was instrumental in reducing violence in Iraq. Each time, Obama answered straight from talking points by citing "the great effort of our young men and women in uniform." That sounded like the old politics. He would have sounded more like a new politician if he had simply said, "Yes, the strategy did work." That would have infuriated anti-war activists, but not enough for them to drop Obama.

    Several Democrats I have talked to noted that recent Democratic presidents got elected with a minority of the vote and also that McCain is further below the 50 percent standard than Obama. But McCain, running a flawed campaign in a big Democratic year, is dangerously close. He still could back in unless Obama closes the deal.
     
  18. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    It seems that Obama's message just isn't resonating enough with the people. They watched his Rock Star tour of Europe and there's no bounce.

    They're calling Obama's plane O-Force One. Sounds a bit like Hillary's "inevitability" theme that was a loser. McCain's ads haven't had to establish this elitist impression of Obama, but it's the one thing that's clearly sticking against Obama and keeping McCain in the race.

    Obama's also tried to establish himself as above the "politics as usual" (running as a D.C. insider is a long tradition in elections). His going negative against McCain is signs of frustration (not blowing the race open), fear (have to attack back, it's killing us).

    It may well work, but it doesn't do much to impress me. It clearly is about winning above all else.

    FWIW, I've been leaning toward voting Obama for a while now, and still am. The downside is giving the Democrats control of congress and the white house. I prefer divided government.
     

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