Link <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>WASHINGTON - Paris Hilton's mother doesn't share John McCain's sense of humor. ADVERTISEMENT click here McCain, the Republican presidential candidate, said last week that his campaign ad mocking Democrat Barack Obama with images of Hilton and singer Britney Spears was part of an attempt to inject humor into the presidential race. On Sunday, Hilton's mother, Kathy Hilton, a McCain donor, registered her disapproval. "It is a complete waste of the country's time and attention at the very moment when millions of people are losing their homes and their jobs," Kathy Hilton said in a short article posted on the liberal Huffington Post Web site. "And it is a completely frivolous way to choose the next president of the United States." The ad plays on Obama's popularity by dismissing him as a mere celebrity, like Hilton and Spears. The Obama campaign has said the ad is proof that McCain would rather launch negative attacks than debate important issues. McCain on Friday denied that his campaign had taken a negative turn, saying, "We think it's got a lot of humor in it, we're having fun and enjoying it." Kathy Hilton, however, was unpersuaded, calling the ad "a complete waste of the money John McCain's contributors have donated to his campaign." Kathy Hilton and her husband donated a total of $4,600 to McCain's campaign earlier this year.</div>
It could be said that McCain has a point about who gets deemed a celebrity by the media. Then again, it could just be McCain is jealous of all the coverage Barack is getting. Truthfully, its too bad that Paris doesn't have a fraction of the sense of shame/being offended that her mom just got.
So far, McCain's campaign seems to be built on the theory that his opponent is more dynamic, has greater charisma, and is a better speaker--and that it should be held against him. Other that that, I have absolutely no idea what McCain stands for or (claims that he) hopes to achieve. I see him a little like Bob Dole--someone who appears to want to be president just because he thinks that the president should be someone from his generation. If he holds to the reaganesque view that the president (and government) should just get out of the way and do little to impact social ills (or act on social isses), he should just say so instead of playing this stupid game.
This is Hillary's way of trying to get into the VP for O-bumma. I'd say McCain is doing well against a liberally favored media, the two are practically split among the public.
If I wanted a humorous president I would have voted for Bush, and I would vote for Chappelle this time. Does McCain really think that this type of ad is going to get him votes?
Do you want a president who's completely untested and who's main skill seems to be reading sound bites from a teleprompter?
No, but I don't want an insecure president either. If McCain gets jealous every time that Obama gets more attention he would be a spineless president that wouldn't stand behind his own decisions. If there was a rumor going around that Obama has big balls or something McCain would probably come out with an ad about how well endowed men in his family are....the guy is a joke. Someone's celebrity is irrelevant, Obama appeals more to middle America than McCain, so deal with it and fight to win the votes of more relevant demographics, don't act childish.
I don't think McCain is jealous at all. I think he's trying to win an election, and it's pure strategy to knock Obama down a few pegs from his Rock Star status to take him on at the policy proposal level. Not that I think McCain's being a good guy about campaigning like he was in 2000. Far from it; I think he's given up all the things that were likable about him for the sake of winning. Like, remember how in 2000 he said he didn't like the TV preachers and Bob Jones University, but now he's pandering to them to the most of his ability. And, Obama is NOT appealing to middle america, or he'd have a massive lead in the polls and would have beaten Hillary in Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And, Obama is NOT appealing to middle america, or he'd have a massive lead in the polls and would have beaten Hillary in Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania.</div> It's frustrating when people don't know how to read . Re-read what I wrote. I said that Obama appeals MORE to middle America than McCain. Now if you want to try and argue against that you are on your own because to me that point is obvious and not debatable. Even so, I would still argue that Obama appeals more to middle America than Hillary. The polls do not consist of an individual breakdown of what demographic would potentially vote for who. So how can you say that him not winning Texas proves anything?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 3 2008, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is she easily offended, or what?</div> Her and pretty much everyone else in the American political process.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jurassic @ Aug 4 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Aug 4 2008, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And, Obama is NOT appealing to middle america, or he'd have a massive lead in the polls and would have beaten Hillary in Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania.</div> It's frustrating when people don't know how to read . Re-read what I wrote. I said that Obama appeals MORE to middle America than McCain. Now if you want to try and argue against that you are on your own because to me that point is obvious and not debatable. Even so, I would still argue that Obama appeals more to middle America than Hillary. The polls do not consist of an individual breakdown of what demographic would potentially vote for who. So how can you say that him not winning Texas proves anything? </div> Actually, the polls DO consist of an individual breakdown of what demographic would and did (in the primaries) vote for who. Obama did well in a few states dominated by whites, but Hillary literally cleaned his clock in all the big ones. Obama won almost all the black vote in all the states he ran in. Obama would appeal MORE to middle America than McCain IF the polls showed he had a majority of the vote. As it stands, he has less than 50% in the polls AND a significant number of the voters haven't decided (that would mean, Obama doesn't appeal MORE to them by any definition).
What were McCain's numbers from middle America? Also post a link. Stop dancing around the subject, if you believe that McCain appeals more to middle America the Obama come out and say it, don't just say that there isn't proof of it. And no, he wouldn't need the majority of the vote to prove that he appeals more, he would simply need more of the vote than McCain. That is the definition of 'MORE' isn't it? I admit that I'm unfamiliar with the statistics of it all, but I find it hilarious that you mentioned that Obama had less than 50% of the vote, but you did not mention what percentage McCain had, and then you try to argue that McCain appeals more in a round about way.
What I would say is that neither has really sealed the deal with middle America. As well, McCain's ahead or been statistically tied with Obama for who has "more" of the popular vote in the recent polls for the past couple weeks.
On the other hand... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080805/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_5 McCain visiting motorcycle rally, nuke power plant By GLEN JOHNSON, Associated Press WriterMon Aug 4, 10:42 PM ET Thousands of motorcyclists greeted Republican presidential candidate John McCain with an approving roar Monday as he sought blue-collar and heartland support by visiting a giant motorcycle rally. "As you may know, not long ago a couple hundred thousand Berliners made a lot of noise for my opponent. I'll take the roar of 50,000 Harleys any day," McCain said, referring to Democrat Barack Obama's recent visit to the German capital. Billed as the largest event of its kind in the world, the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally has become something of an annual bikers' Woodstock during the past 70 years. It features nine nights of entertainment, with bands including Def Leppard, Lynyrd Skynyrd and REO Speedwagon. McCain played to a crowd that paused for a veterans salute. He criticized Obama for supporting a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq while opposing efforts to reduce record-high energy prices. "My opponent wants to set a date to come home. I want us to come home with victory and honor so we will never go back again," the Arizona senator said. McCain also criticized Congress for adjourning for a five-week recess without approving a new energy plan. "Tell em' to come back and get to work," McCain said, yelling into the microphone. "When I'm president of the United States, I'm not going to let them go on vacation. They're gonna become energy independent." McCain was accompanied by Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., who has been mentioned as a potential running mate. He had warned the McCain campaign that a politician might receive an unfriendly welcome, but McCain relished the warm embrace. His wife, Cindy, also paid tribute to the crowd, saying: "I'd like to thank all of you for your support of our troops, and here's why: I'm many things in my life, and one thing I'd like to be is your first lady. But more importantly, I'm Jack McCain's mother and Jimmy McCain's mother, one in the U.S. Navy and another one in the Marine Corps, an Iraqi vet." Taking back the microphone, McCain joked that he wanted her to enter the beauty contest held at the site, the Buffalo Chip campground on the edge of town. "I told her with a little luck, she could be the only woman ever to serve as both the first lady and Miss Buffalo Chip," McCain quipped. Before landing in South Dakota, McCain visited the National Label Co. in Lafayette Hill, Pa. The 97-year-old, family owned business makes labels for products from medicines such as Tylenol to shampoos in the Suave family. There, McCain focused on energy policy, telling reporters he has outlined an "all-of-the-above" strategy and mocking Obama's suggestion last week for improving automobile mileage, saying: "We're not going to achieve energy independence by inflating our tires." On Tuesday, McCain aims to underscore his call for expanded nuclear power in the U.S. by touring a nuclear power plant in the battleground state of Michigan. That trip comes a day after Obama laid out his energy vision in a speech, also in Michigan.
Middle America? http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/05/america/bundlers.php Big donors are the key to Obama's record haul By Michael M. Luo and Christopher Drew Tuesday, August 5, 2008 In an effort to cast himself as independent of the influence of money on politics, Senator Barack Obama often highlights the campaign contributions of $200 or less that have amounted to fully half of the $340 million he has collected so far. But records show that a third of his record-breaking haul has come from donations of $1,000 or more - a total of $112 million, more than the total of contributions in that category taken in by either Senator John McCain, his Republican rival, or Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, his opponent in the Democratic primaries. Behind those large donations is a phalanx of more than 500 Obama "bundlers," fund-raisers who have each collected contributions totaling $50,000 or more. Many of the bundlers come from industries with critical interests in Washington. Nearly three dozen of the bundlers have raised more than $500,000, including more than a half-dozen who have passed the $1 million mark and one or two who have exceeded $2 million, according to interviews with fund-raisers. While his campaign has cited its volume of small donations as a rationale for his decision to opt out of public financing for the general election, Obama has worked to build a network of big-dollar supporters from the time he began contemplating a run for the U.S. Senate. He tapped into well-connected people in Chicago before the 2004 Senate race, and, once elected, set out across the country starting in 2005 to cultivate some of his party's most influential money collectors. He courted them with the savvy of a veteran politician, through phone calls, meals and one-on-one meetings; he wrote thank-you cards and remembered birthdays; he sent them autographed copies of his book and doted on their children. The fruit of his efforts has put Obama's major donors on a pace that almost rivals the $147 million that President George W. Bush's Pioneer and Ranger network raised in $1,000-and-larger contributions in 2004 during the primary season. Given his decision not to accept public financing, Obama is counting on his bundlers to help him raise $300 million for his campaign for the general election and another $180 million for the Democratic National Committee. An analysis of campaign finance records shows that about two-thirds of his bundlers are concentrated in four major industries: law, securities and investments, real estate and entertainment. Lawyers make up the largest group at about 130, with many working for firms that also have lobbying arms. At least 100 Obama bundlers are top executives or brokers from investment businesses - nearly two dozen work for financial titans like Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs and Citigroup. About 40 others come from the real-estate industry. The biggest fund-raisers include people like Julius Genachowski, a former senior official at the Federal Communications Commission and a technology executive who is new to big-time political fund-raising; Robert Wolf, president and chief operating officer of UBS Investment Bank; James Torrey, a New York hedge fund investor; and Charles Rivkin, an animation studio head in Los Angeles. "It's fairly clear that this is being packaged as an extraordinary new kind of fund-raising, and the Internet is a new and powerful part of it," said Michael Malbin, executive director of the Campaign Finance Institute. "But it's also clear that many of the old donors are still there and important." The care and feeding of top Obama fund-raisers underscores their significance to his campaign. Members of his National Finance Committee who fulfill their commitment to raise at least $250,000 are being rewarded with trips to the Democratic National Convention in Denver. Finance committee members participate in biweekly conference calls with top campaign officials. The fund-raisers meet quarterly, often with Obama dropping in. He lingered after the meeting last month in Chicago, telling his staff he wanted to thank every person in the room. Some fund-raisers who knocked on doors for Obama in places like Iowa, Pennsylvania and Indiana got to spend time with Obama backstage before and after speeches on primary nights. His fund-raisers invariably say their support for him is not rooted in any kind of promise of access but in their belief in him. "This is about Barack Obama and changing the direction of our country," said Jonathan Perdue, a business consultant in Mill Valley, California, who has raised more than $250,000 for Obama's campaign. Obama has pledged not to accept donations from federally registered lobbyists or political action committees. But some top donors clearly have policy and political agendas. Hedge fund executives, for example, have bundled large sums for Obama at a time their industry has been looking to increase its clout in Washington. Kenneth Griffin, chief executive officer of Citadel Investment Group in Chicago, has collected more than $50,000 for Obama. But Griffin, whose $1.5 billion in income in 2007 made him one of the top hedge fund earners, has given generously over the years to Republicans and recently helped host a fund-raiser for McCain. Citadel has spent more than $1.1 million since 2007 lobbying against higher tax rates for hedge funds. (Obama has supported the higher tax rates.) Similarly, Paul Tudor Jones, a billionaire hedge fund manager from Connecticut, has raised more than $100,000 for Obama. But he also gave to McCain, and two of McCain's Republican rivals in the primary campaign, Rudolph Giuliani and Mitt Romney. Jones, who has given more than $900,000 over the past decade to federal candidates and political organizations, helped form a trade association that has fought hedge fund regulation. Many fund-raisers sit on the campaign's array of policy working groups, getting a chance to weigh in on policy positions and speeches. Genachowski, a Harvard Law School classmate of Obama's, chairs the technology working group. Fund-raisers from private equity and hedge funds sit on Obama's economic policy group. Even as Obama seeks to contrast himself with McCain as a political outsider, updated bundler lists released recently by their campaigns show they have a similar number of high-dollar fund-raisers. Despite Obama's newcomer image, many of his bundlers are Democratic stalwarts, including some of the top fund-raisers for the party's 2004 nominee, Senator John Kerry. The Obama fund-raising operation is meticulously organized. Bundlers are assigned tracking numbers, and the finance staff sends them quarterly reminders of how they are doing in meeting their goals. "There's no price for admission," said Alan Solomont, a top Democratic fund-raiser in Boston who earned his fortune in the nursing home industry and has given more than $1.5 million to Democratic candidates and causes. "We value every donation and every donor equally, but we are a performance-based organization. We want everybody to feel like they're included, but at the same time we're not here to have tea together." Obama began courting many of his fund-raisers soon after he burst upon the national scene with his rousing speech at the 2004 Democratic national convention. Solomont, a major fund-raiser for both Kerry and Bill Clinton during their presidential runs, got a call on his cellphone in February 2005, a year after Obama's election to the Senate, from a member of his staff who asked whether he would like to get together with Obama. They met for Chinese food in Washington the following week, and Obama scored points with Solomont when he pointed out they were both community organizers earlier in their careers. "I've been involved in politics a long time," Solomont said. "Nobody's bothered to know that about me." Early the same year, Obama attended a dinner in the San Francisco Bay area of about 20 major Kerry supporters that was organized by Mark Gorenberg, a Silicon Valley venture capitalist who was Kerry's single biggest fund-raiser, after an inquiry from Obama's staff. Several on hand, including Gorenberg and John Roos, head of a Silicon Valley law firm, became among the earliest and biggest check collectors for Obama's presidential bid. In 2006, Obama became a vice chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, giving him the opportunity to campaign across the country and cultivate other potential benefactors. When his book, "The Audacity of Hope," came out later that year, his staff organized book parties at the homes of major Democratic donors. In December, Obama visited the New York office of the billionaire George Soros to court a roomful of high-powered Democratic fund-raisers, hoping to lure some of them away from Hillary Clinton. Not everyone was swayed, but Obama won over Orin Kramer, a hedge fund executive from New Jersey, and Wolf, the UBS executive, both of whom are now among Obama's biggest fund-raisers. Obama landed as his finance director, Julianna Smoot, who had headed fund-raising for Senate Democrats and previously for Senator Tom Daschle when he was majority leader. Guided by Smoot, a key part of the campaign's fast start was its success in scooping up top Kerry fund-raisers, including Lou Susman, a Chicago investment banker who was Kerry's national finance chairman, and Kirk Wagar, a Miami lawyer who became Obama's Florida finance chairman. Nevertheless, the campaign's initial meeting of its National Finance Committee was a relatively small affair - about 75 people in Chicago, the day after Obama officially announced his candidacy. Penny Pritzker, the billionaire heiress to the Hyatt hotel fortune, whom Obama asked to become his finance chairwoman, challenged the group to double in size. The number of bundlers ballooned quickly. The Obama campaign made important inroads among an affluent class under age 45, including Silicon Valley engineers and hedge fund analysts, many of whom had not been on the political radar screen. Donations in June, the latest month for which he has disclosed his donors to the Federal Election Commission, illustrate the double-barreled nature of the campaign's fund-raising. Obama brought in nearly $31 million in contributions of less than $200, his best month for small donations. But he also collected more than $12 million in contributions of $1,000 or more, the most since the first half of 2007. The share from large contributions appears poised to increase as Obama has stepped up his fund-raising schedule, rushing from one glitzy event to another. "In 2007, the campaign relied on the tried-and-true-methods like fund-raisers, for both large and small-dollar donors, with the candidate or his surrogates, and the Internet largely financed it in 2008," said Kirk Dornbush, the head of a bio-tech firm and a top fund-raiser in Atlanta. "When you combine the traditional fund-raising methods with the continued online contributions, you have a very, very powerful fund-raising engine."