Hitler and the Nazis

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  1. The Return of the Raider

    The Return of the Raider Active Member

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    It's interesting that you brought up David Duke. He shifted over to the Republican party about halfway through his political career. Why? because he knows that his supporters vote that way!
     
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    I had a quick look at the ANP site and through all the Racist Slurs i noticed SOME semi-reasonable points.

    I see their point, Among the first paragraph it makes a good point about the 3% of the population control 85% of the worlds wealth. However, I don't agree with the line "this evil, corrupt Judeo-Capitalist system" I think that Capatilism is the best policy, Communism didn't work obviously, Stalin and co in Eastern Europe and The piss poor Chinese Working conditions. Then they go and say that the Jews only want this to create a modern day Slave trade. Thats what i believe it's trying to say. It was a very hard page to Decipher. Trying to figure out what their message was. At First i thought it was anti-slavery which is obviously a good thing, then it seemed to be an evil and malitious stab at the Jewish Religion.

    Then in the next Paragraph it says
    Now, at first i thought OK, Fair enough I sort of guess, America is a land dominated by White people, but I remembered the Native Indians. All in all i think the ANP are just trying to pull at the Heart-strings of White Patriotic Americans.

    All in all i think in that total Confusion of a Paragraph the Nazi's are looking to scrounge every last vote they can. But I'm pretty Sure that most Americans won't fall for this crap. Except maybe Americans that have no idea and just like to Hoot and Holler everywhere. The type that thinks "Hmm my sisters quite attractive"
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Let's contrast and compare Dukkke with George Wallace.

    Wallace was a career Democrat, ran for president in 1968 as an independent, and won 46 electoral votes. (All those racists who voted for him returned to the Democratic Party in 1972, as the election results show).

    Duke ran for president as a Democrat in 1988. As a republican candidate in 1992, he won 119,000 votes nationwide during the primaries.
     
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    This is just twisted and bogus. I'll not waste my time refuting the whole thing, but I will refute the 1st point, which should suffice.


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    Personally, I think these guys are completely insane. They hate absolutely everything and they use non-white people as scapegoats from the top to the bottom of our society and government. They think that everything that is done here is to help minorities and drive down the dreams of white people.

    The AMP, the KKK, and the AryanNations will vote for candidates who will keep aliens from gaining citizenship, and promote white racial superiority. They dispise any organized groups that the Right Wing repulicans also despise. They don't feel that the Repulican party goes far enough to combat them. They used to vote for Democrats, but now that the Democrats are a party with so much minority influence, they have all swung to the Republican side.
     
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    Denny, those same groups of racists now vote only on the Republican side. This only reinforces my point, and the perception of today's right wing.
     
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    No, they don't vote on the Republican side. If they did, Republicans would be winning elections everywhere, especially nationally, by 70% to 30% type margins.

    This is basic mathematics :)
     
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    Hitler was definitely right wing. The mortal enemy of the right wing are the communists/marxists. Hitler said he would fight to the death against them...

     
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    no, because like the ANP pointed out, whites are no longer a majority in many cases. No, they would not be winning elections everywhere when the majority does not agree with them.
     
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    Two points.

    Communism and Nazism were competing ideologies for supremacy of the left wing. It's not at all surprising or refuting my case that they're both left wing that they saw each other as enemies. As I pointed out before, the key difference is that to rise to power, Communists appeal to the lower classes through populist rhetoric while the Nazis appealed to the middle class through populist rhetoric.

    Second point is the word "liberalism" in your post above means LIBERAL in the sense I use it, not in the sense that "democrats are liberals" or liberalism is a left-wing kind of thing. This is what Hitler opposed, and it is RIGHT WING:

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberal

    of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism bcapitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism

    a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties
     
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    No, not really. Point 1 - Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    As soon as 9-11 happened, the right wing talking heads of our country kept saying over and over, "If you're not with us, you're against us." Then proceded to take anyone in disagreement with the Bush administrations' actions as "unpatriotic" or "traitorous" or "sympathetic to the enemy". It really reeked of McCarthyism. Every Republican I knew suddenly had American flags pasted everywhere. The Left wing people that spoke out had differing opinions. If you had a differing opinion than the Administrations, you were ostracized.
     
  12. Denny Crane

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    Here's the math:

    Wallace got 9.9M votes in 1968 and carries the south:

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    In 1976, Jimmy Carter got all those southern voters back:
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    1976 election results:
    Carter 40,831,881
    Ford 39,148,634

    If those Wallace voters hadn't returned to the Democratic Party, Ford would have won with 51M votes to 30M.

    A lot of things have changed in the intervening years. In Newt Gingrich's home state, Andrew Young was elected mayor of Georgia.
     
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    This goes back to your first post.

    Certain people are trying to smear our "right wing" as Nazis.

    Get it?
     
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    Flags as symbolism. Gasp!

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    To be fair....

    9/11 was a deep wound suffered by the USA. When I think of the WTC being destroyed, I can't begin to empathize with New Yorkers. It'd be like the Golden Gate Bridge suddenly being gone for Bay Area people, or the Vegas strip being wiped out for me. And that doesn't even begin to cover the human toll.

    New Yorkers and many other Americans wanted immediate retaliation. The Administration took its time and took out the Talliban over a month later. Iraq was 18 months later.

    We don't invade our neighbors and set up satellite states like the USSR, or raid the treasuries of nations we conquer like the Nazis did. There's nothing at all in common between the so-called right-wing Nazis and Republicans in this country - it's just a ridiculous assertion.

    Torture? Ask McCain about how those right-wingers treated him at the Hanoi Hilton.

    Some of this stuff just flies in the face of Reason.
     
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    Oversimplification. The US right wing basically redefined what it meant to be "patriotic" or "American" according to their own political agenda. So if you sported the flag after that, that meant that you believed exactly what the Right was preaching. They declared that the left should not consider themselves patriotic if they didn't go along with one party's perspective. Total, and uncomprimising. This is what reminds me of the symbolism in part 1.
     
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    All this is great, but the white supremicists flipped sides after this election. Follow David Duke's career timeline.
     
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    I'm merely saying that those people reside solely in America's right wing.

    You can be in a larger group, but not necessarily in the smaller group (Nazis). That means that if you are right wing, that doesn't necessarily mean that you are bent toward Nazism.
     
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    Dukkke ran as a Democrat through 1989.

    The 1968 election is significant because those with an agenda claim Nixon's "Southern Strategy" converted southern racists into Republicans. I've already demonstrated that it is patently false.
     
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    Oversimplication is on your part, and whoever wrote that load of crap you posted.

    I didn't plant a flag or wear a lapel pin, but I certainly am patriotic and would not refuse to wear one - it just wasn't on my list of things to do to go out of my way to find one. Nobody ever questioned my patriotism.

    The rest is politics, and you read way to much into it. If it wins elections to smear an opponent, politicians of either party will do their worst.

    Tho refusing to wear a pin would be unpatriotic, no excuses:

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unpatriotic
    unpatriotic - showing lack of love for your country
     

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