I'm not a woman, but at least I do try to understand the motivation behind going to such an extreme measure. It's sure to kill the fetus, but it's also the woman risking her own health and safety to get rid of it. The WHY is hugely important. Taking of human life is valid in a number of circumstances, and this is one. Another is a soldier killing an enemy soldier. Another is self-defense (which this is). Another is the death penalty.
God didn't split this procreative power right down the middle. Well there is also that other long debate about when life starts. I happen to think Abortion is euthanasia.
That point is irrelevant, his argument was that the father's role has not begun yet. Even after that baby is born the male's body still does not experience physical trauma, so what is your point?
The Law isn't logical, and never is. Once you get over that basic fundamental fact, then it starts to make sense
I was talking about post #35. Anyway, we can all agree to disagree, I like hearing other people's viewpoints even though there are some issues I refuse to compromise on.
What does after the baby is born have to do with anything? The father has no role in the physical development of a fertilized egg
Noooooooo. My response was directed at both you and huevonkiller. I was saying that I don't agree with belief that the father's role does not start simply because his body doesn't go through physical trauma. If the father's role doesn't start for that reason, then it would never start because his body really never changes. I would be interested to hear a female perspective, are any of you female? I think that most females get pregnant and take the stance of "we are in this together" with the father. I don't think that most of them think, "this is my body I can do what I want, screw you". I actually think that most women would say that the role of the father begins at coception, none of them want to be in that boat alone. Especially among women who are pregnant for the first time. Yet it seems that many here think otherwise, which is fine.
The father and mother appear to be on quite equal terms after the baby is born. The mother is no longer carrying that potential burden.
Start with the premise that women are human beings and only differ from you in gender. Generally what you do and think isn't a lot different from what they do and think. They fart, they swear, they like sex, they have ambitions.
Right, and that was my point. Unbelievable. I'm confused by the need for that subtle attack, I'm not sexist in the least. It's not naive or sexist on my part to think that women might have a different perspective on this issue. Since after all, we acknowledge that they are the ones carrying the child.
It was no subtle attack. Men do have a difficult time understanding women. I admit when I was younger, I understood them a lot less
Oh well sorry for not being clear. My view is that I have no idea why women would think in general that they are "in this together" with the father. It depends on so many factors, I wouldn't want to just assume something like that. Just take a look at the growing liberal movement in the younger generations.
There is a huge difference between role and ability to assert influence and that is what I'm talking about. It is the woman's body that goes through pain and suffering. They and they alone have final say on the decision to carry out a pregnancy. I have female friends and family members that have made decisions to both keep and abort pregnancies that were formed out of wedlock and out of a serious relationship. For each of them, it was specific to their unique circumstances. Every single one of them that I've talked to told me that it was their body and their final decision.
Are you suggesting that we legalize abortion for anyone under 3 years of age?! JK, I think you mistyped what you meant, or you were joking. That brings up an interesting point though. I once did a report on the effects of late abortion, they are horrible. As additional tissues form in the breasts (for the purpose of milk) if an abortion takes place the chances of them resulting in breast cancer GREATLY increases. I don't think that anyone thinks that a woman should wait until late in the pregnancy to have an abortion. Of course there are exceptions guys, I know, so lets skip that debate, lol.
