Which to eat: a rotten pear or a rotten plum?

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  1. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    Absolutely not in my opinion. It varies for me...
     
  2. Dumpy

    Dumpy Yi-ha!!

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    To a certain extent. Do you support the idea of term limits in congress?
     
  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Absolutely.

    People would argue that it keeps the really good politicians from keeping their jobs forever. I'd argue that a really good politician can serve in many offices over a career.
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    In what way are you a libertarian?
     
  5. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    In the ways that seem to piss you off I guess. :]
     
  6. Dumpy

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    yes, you can be a public servant without being a member of congress.

    However, it is certainly true that you get better at doing the job the longer you serve (to a certain point; there are cetainly diminishing returns). Many committes deal with very complex issues that require a lot of briefing and training. Depending on the length of the term limit, you may be wasting alot of gained experience.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    They don't require squat.

    Look at the committee assignments Obama got.

    The big elephant in the room is the staffers, who really run the show. They'd work for one guy for 2 terms, then work for the next guy who got the same assignments.
     
  8. Dumpy

    Dumpy Yi-ha!!

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    I am just reciting the argument. Yes, the staffers certainly fill a large role.
     
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    If you're really a conservative/libertarian, then this is, in and of itself, a reason to support term limits. I think the argument would go that the government shouldn't be making all sorts of overly complex decisions in the first place.

    And by the way, your CREW thing is funny :)

    And...

    Heaven forbid we actually make a sincere attempt to argue what we actually believe!


    MikeDC says he's the 5th Beetle.
     
  10. Real

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    Right on.

    Though I'd have to say Democrats are always being prosecuted in NJ not solely because they are in office, but because they are the party that advocates big government in all aspects of life, from socialized medicine, to an unlawful housing law, to some of the biggest tax burdens in the nation that squeeze out businesses to Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and other areas of the country. Theser are the things Democrats and some Republicans advocate for.

    Measure New Jersey up against any state in the nation, and you will find that New Jersey is almost unmatched by the amount of bureaucracy.
     
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  11. The Return of the Raider

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    I heard that

    1 - the mob controls the entire state, and has for many years

    2 - They are have all the landfills that NY dumps to.
     
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    Regarding point one: the mob isn't as influential IMO as in the past. They don't really influence government all that much, it's the unions that have Trenton by the balls.

    Consider the fact that the leader of the CWA (Communications Workers of America) used to date the Governor of New Jersey Jon Corzine. The CWA in New Jersey is the largest of all the local chapters, they represent 16,000 employees, public and private sector, but most of which work for the government.

    During labor negotiations, Governor Corzine and the leader had contact, presenting a conflict of interest. A Superior Court judge ruled that 740 pages of their personal emails must be released to the public. The Attorney General is appealing to the State Supreme Court to prevent these e-mails from being released. The leader just got removed from her job by national heiarchy for misappropriating funds and violating federal labor laws.

    Considering this is a liberal state, unions will always have major pull here, just as they do in a state like NY, where David Patterson pissed off the teachers unions during his spending cutting, and now they're waging a media campaign against him. It's just part of the territory. Whether or not these unions are more of a detriment to the state or helpful to those who belong to it is not an argument I'm either qualified or willing to go into.

    As for point no. 2, the trash isn't the only stuff that comes here. The New Jersey Jets just opened their brand new training facility in Florham Park, NJ today. ;)
     
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  13. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Saw this and thought that this thread is probably the most appropriate place for it:

    [​IMG]

    Maybe we should have a political cartoons thread? I've seen a lot of them in the wake of the election but dunno if we'd have enough to warrant a thread on it.
     
  14. huevonkiller

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    Based on? :]
     
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    There is a lot of perception built up around which party spends more than the other, but it's hard to argue with the bottom line.
     
  16. cpawfan

    cpawfan Monsters do exist

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    Go for it.
     
  17. Dumpy

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    Having never been a congressman, or ever worked on the hill, I don't have the requisite experience to formulate an opinion.
     

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