Is Obama's race a factor?

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    This was the intro subject for call ins this morning on C-SPAN's Washington Journal.

    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/colu...scussed__but_Obama_s_race_may_be_decider.html

    The American Debate: It's little discussed, but Obama's race may be decider


    By Dick Polman
    Inquirer National Political Columnist

    Let us swing the door ajar and invite the elephant into the room. One big reason Barack Obama is locked in a tight race, rather than easily outdistancing his opponent, is because he is black. That factor is rarely discussed in polite political conversation. People tend to dance around it, talking instead about Obama's perceived inexperience, or his youth, or his perceived airs, or his liberal voting record. And racist sentiment rarely shows up in the polls, because a lot of people don't want to share their baser instincts with the pollsters; they'll save that instead for the privacy of the voting booth.

    But the incremental evidence - anecdotal and even statistical - has become impossible to ignore.

    Union organizers in the key state of Michigan complain in the press that, as one puts it, "we're all struggling to some extent with the problem of white workers who will not vote for Obama because of his color." An aging mine electrician from Kentucky is quoted as saying, "I won't vote for a colored man. He'll put too many coloreds in jobs." An elderly woman in a New Jersey hair salon is overheard complaining about Barack and Michelle Obama the other day, about how blacks supposedly have larger bones than whites, and about how she's fleeing America if Obama wins.

    Jimmy Carter, while attending the Democratic convention, cited race as a "subterranean issue," yet at times this year it has been bared for all to see. Case in point, Pennsylvania. On the day of the Democratic presidential primary, 12 percent of the white Democratic voters told the exit pollsters that race mattered in their choice of candidate; of those whites, 76 percent chose Hillary Rodham Clinton over Obama. The same pattern surfaced in other states, including the key autumn state of Ohio.

    This is worth pondering a moment longer. If 12 percent of Democratic voters are willing to tell exit pollsters, eye to eye, that race was an important factor, to Obama's detriment, isn't it fair to assume that the real percentage (including those who kept their sentiments private) was actually higher? And what might this portend for the general election, when the white electorate will be broader, and hence significantly less liberal, than in Democratic contests?

    Here's one hint. Last June, the Washington Post-ABC News poll devised a "racial sensitivity index," based on a series of nuanced questions that were designed to measure the varying levels of racial prejudice in the white electorate. The pollsters came up with three categories, ranging from most to least enlightened. The key finding: Whites in the least-enlightened category - roughly 30 percent of the white electorate - favored John McCain over Obama by a ratio of 2-1.

    A few prominent Democrats did broach this sensitive topic at the Denver convention. Dee Dee Myers, the former Bill Clinton aide, shared her concerns at one political forum, and with good reason. She worked for Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley in the 1980s, when it appeared that Bradley was a cinch to win his U.S. Senate contest despite his race. The final round of polls showed him winning comfortably. He lost.

    "I lived through that," Myers said. "We're whistling past the graveyard if we think that race was not a factor in the Democratic primaries. Today's young voters will get us past these attitudes," but it will take time. As for millions of older voters, "they talk about having 'culture' problems [with Obama], but to separate culture from race is impossible."

    And Markos Moulitsas, who runs the liberal Daily Kos blog, said: "It's human nature. A lot of people want to cling to the comfortable world that they've always lived in. The Obamas don't look like what First Families have always looked like. This will be one of the factors in the fall, because a lot of people simply want to stick with what they've known in the past."

    The race obstacle is not necessarily fatal, of course, because in the end it may be trumped by other factors - such as McCain's age, or nagging concerns about handing the nuclear football in an emergency to a "hockey mom" as GOP vice presidential candidate whose chief national security credential is the proximity of Alaska to Russia.

    But clearly Obama needs to tread carefully, arguably by stressing lunch-pail economic issues and continuing to present himself as a "post-racial" candidate. He will need to dispel these white suspicions, if only because whites will continue to dominate the electorate - they constituted 77 percent of all voters in 2004 - even if he manages to inspire an historic black turnout. He has to bond somehow with blue-collar whites, yet he cannot show too much passion, because, as Democratic strategist Joe Trippi explained to me, "those whites don't like to see a black guy getting angry, it's a dangerous thing for an African American candidate to do."

    I'm not suggesting that racism would be the sole explanation for an Obama loss. Nor am I seeking to insult those who object to Obama purely on the issues. But if Obama winds up losing after having posted a seemingly solid polling lead on election eve, we may well find ourselves pondering the words of Henry David Thoreau, who wrote in 1854 that "public opinion is a weak tyrant, compared with our own private opinion."
     
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    Yes, it is a factor, but it probably evens out a bit, in the end. There are people who won't vote for him because of his race, and there are people who will vote for him just because of his race.
     
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    So the question is, does Obama's race really matter?

    To me, of course not. However, if you look back on the primaries and up to now, you might see a pattern - whenever Obama's in trouble in the polls, race becomes a question. Bill Clinton accused Obama of pulling the race card against him (the first "black" president, after all).

    Chicago is famous for being a Democratic Party Machine town. It's also Obama's home town. In 1984, a black man named Harold Washington ran for Mayor in the Democratic Party primary there against Jane Byrne and the current Mayor, Richard Daley Jr. He won the primary by a fairly narrow margin - 37% to 33% to 30%. The republicans ran a cannon-fodder opponent, which is typical when you have no chance to win - his name was Bernard Epton, a lawyer from some law firm downtown (e.g. not a politician).

    Washington BARELY defeated Epton in the most Democratic of Democratic places, and a modern NORTHERN city of all places. The vote was 52% to 48%. To put this into perspective, Democrats have been winnning mayoral elections in Chicago with 70% or more of the vote since the early 1900s.

    This same Party gave Obama the nomination, and he's truly inspirational in every way I can think of. Yet look at the polls in an environment where a Democrat should be blowing out absolutely any Republican. McCain should be doing as well against Obama as Dole did against Clinton (the comparison is amazingly good).
     
  4. Denny Crane

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    FWIW, the bulk of the calls complained that C-SPAN even brought this up, let alone made it a call-in topic. To wake up on a Sunday and have this idiot write this article when nobody wants to care about Obama's race or consider it a factor.
     
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    Of course it matters. As does McCain's age, and Palin's sex.
     
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    Agreed. Anybody that believes the average voter looks past these things is pretty naive. I wouldn't go as far as to call them "sheep" like cpaw, but in my own experiences dealing with average working class people who vote in these elections, they barely know any relevant information about the candidates.
     
  7. cpawfan

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    Of course it is a factor. He wouldn't be the Dem's nominee but for his race.
     
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    Because the democrats have never nominated a young charismatic and great speech giving white guy before?

    Race is obviously going to be a factor and that's part of the reason why I think the polls are close right now.

    Just like if Hillary would of been nominated I think her being a woman would of been a factor and polls would be close as well.

    How big a factor is it going to be?

    That's the question and that's something we won't know until Nov 4th.
     
  9. cpawfan

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    Is this 1960?

    The dems have proven incapable of running a well thought out presidential race so they went for the historical hail mary this time. Either an african-american or a woman
     
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    Right because the last two elections were total blowouts by the republicans.

    For every vote he received because he's black, he also didn't receive a vote for that same reason.

    His personality had to do with him being the nominee. That and Hillary Clinton running a poor campaign in the primaries.
     
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    The last two elections were pretty close. Bush didn't win the popular vote in 2000 but did in 2004 by a decent amount. The electoral college was within 1 state of victory for the Dems.

    I see it as the Dems underestimating the true number of people who will vote Republican, they assume the populace is left of center (it's not), and they otherwise take their voting blocs for granted.

    They also hired Bob Schrum the past several elections, none of which he's run a winning campaign.
     
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    The last two elections, the dems could have won the election if they had put up decent candidates, but they didn't. The fact the republicans won at all is a reflection of how piss poor the dems were at selecting a candidate and running a campaign.

    They didn't want another white male
     
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    I agree. People who rely on the same talking heads or same sources of actual news and/or commentary bother me. You don't need to think outside the box. Listen to and do research about all sides of an issue before rushing to judgment.
     
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    Totally. Last week at work I was listening to this middle aged female customer who was going on about how shes a devout christian so shes usually against voting for any ticket with a woman on it but she now wants to vote for McCain because Palin is an old school christian type. Also said some more stuff about wanting to elect a woman who wasn't a hard core left winger and was anti abortion, etc. etc.

    Nothing she likes about McCain. Nothing about issues really. I got the impression she was going to vote for Obama before Palin was elected but now shes switching.
     
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    Of course it's a factor.

    And it's kind of screwed up, since this is the one election where race, gender, or anything else, should be the last thing on anybody's mind.
     

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