BREAKING NEWS: McCain SUSPENDS HIS CAMPAIGN (merged)

So because McCain picked Sarah Palin as his VP he's not putting his country first? How so?

 

McCain said in April he would pick VP solely by the standard of who would be the best president. He never suggested otherwise.

 

Her vetting process was 15 minutes.

 

Did McCain said he wanted to pass on the debate? I'll answer that for you: He didn't. He said he wanted to delay it. Of all the the debates, McCain wants the one on foreign policy and national security. By asking for a delay, he's only hurting his chances. However, it does jibe with "Country First".

 

I read it and not sure what your point is. I'm not a big McCain supporter but I do think he is putting country first or at least it looks like it.

 

Palin is a very unproven governor of an extremely small state who has no foreign policy experience among other things. I don't know what your point is, mine is that his slogan is pretentious.

 

I don't think it was any difference then his vetting for any other VP candidate. I think Palin has two positives to his camping. One it got his republican base on board and could pull in some women voters. I think without Palin McCain would have no chance. It got me back on board.

 

Um yeah it was a smart political move, that wasn't my point.

 

Re: McCain wants to postpone Friday's debate

Which of the two looks presidential? You put that as though you feel it is objectively obvious. It, of course, entirely depends on one's bias and how one perceives the move. If you see it as a desperate stunt, Obama looks more presidential by default (McCain looks less so..."desperate stunt" and "presidential" don't fit together, to me). If you see it as McCain nobly putting nation above politics, McCain looks more presidential.

Which, ultimately, is why I don't think this really flips the script much. It's really a move that is likely to further entrench people. I don't think it changes perception of McCain; I think it makes people who already liked McCain cheer him and those who didn't like him deride the move.

It hardly matters as far as the campaign goes. Those who prefer him will assume or act like he believes it. Those who don't prefer him will assume or act like it is a stunt. It's like all political rhetoric...what if they really mean it? Great...but it's all going through a political filter with each person.

Yes, I know you believe it. I don't, at all. There is no lack for highly religious, extremely conservative Republicans. You don't have to tap a small town mayor / unknown governor to get that. What is much less common is an extremely conservative female Republican politician. I don't disagree at all that McCain wanted someone to rally the radical right. But his choice of Palin over a much better known, more experienced radical conservative was due to her sex, in my opinion. That was also hailed as a "when you're losing, change the rules." And everyone on the right congratulated themselves on success when there was a bump following the RNC. Well, the bump is gone and Palin is looking like a bit of a liability.

We'll see how this "change the rules" gambit works. McCain is playing like he's got no hope except for a Hail Mary. I think that's far from true, given the right-ward slant of the nation, so I think these moves actually hurt him.

 

This is stupid what is Obama's foreign policy experience except for making speeches all across Europe. Plus I would rather have Palin's limited experience then Bidden's views on foreign policy.

 

So all McCain has to do to "put his country first" is be marginally better than Obama?

McCain clearly stated before he made his selection that he would choose the most capable person possible to replace him as his VP candidate. This isn't debatable. And it's the kind of statement that does indeed speak to putting his country first.

McCain clearly didn't choose the most qualified candidate. Nobody is debating this either.

Therefore, he didn't put his country first in choosing Palin.

Now you may say Obama isn't qualified either. Maybe you are right, maybe not. That doesn't change the fact that McCain didn't put his country first in his selection.

 

So they're both dirty then? Glad we agree.

 

I can sort of agree with you and huevonkiller and you guys have made a good point. I would rather have someone like Palin then Bidden even with the difference in experience. I can see you guys saying the same thing with McCain and Obama.

 

Who may be the "best" president isn't the same as the "most qualified". Bill Clinton wasn't the most qualified Democratic candidate, but IMO there couldn't have been a better choice by the Party in 1992. The same with Ronald Reagan in 1980.

 

It is pretty easy to decipher what he meant based on his platform. Now if he wants to say Palin is better than Biden/etc., that is one thing, but he still didn't put country first.

 

The way I see it, there's two different rules here. One for Democrats like Obama, another for Republicans like McCain.

Democrats can have their charismatic, revolutionary, appealing candidate who is relatively inexperienced, but Republicans can't.

Sarah Palin doesn't have the same experience as Mitt Romney or Tim Pawlenty. That wasn't the point.

BTW, wasn't it Barack Obama who, before entering the race, cautioned about running in 2008, saying he was in fact too inexperienced to be President?

 

Do you really believe that? I would make a wager she was vetted by McCain's staff for more than 15 minutes. Newsflash: candidates don't do their own vetting. It's done by professionals. Obama had an advisory board of three people, including the former CEO of Fannie Mae and Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg.

 

Says the guy with the Jesus/Laker avatar

 

Yeah it is a silly joke, all the vets around S2 know this.