Game Thread: Barack Obama vs. John McCain, Sep. 26, 8 PM, Mississippi

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  1. Denny Crane

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    That's $7.93 per second.
     
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    Every day since January 4, 2005, the day he was sworn in, not counting the days he did not work or Congress was not in session.
     
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    who really cares? Find me a voter for whom earmarks is one of their top ten issues.
     
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    mccain won this debate, barack needs to stop playin' the ''nice guy''
     
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    I don't really think anyone clearly won. We'll see what the polls say tomorrow. If I was forced to pick a winner, I'd say McCain by a little. He seemed to be on the attack more than Obama. However, it's hardly a blowout like the saddle back forum.

    I did think Obama did a better job with his body language. Did McCain ever even look at Obama or move at all. He seemed more tense.
     
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    I don't think either candidate was overly impressive at the debate.
     
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    Earmarks aren't an issue, abuse of earmarks are. Obviously McCain couldn't find any specific earmarks of Obama's to attack, because he would have come through with more than a dollar figure.
     
  8. Denny Crane

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    Obama: $7.93/second in earmarks.

    They're almost all abuses.
     
  9. 44Thrilla

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    Prove it. If you're right, then McCain needs some new handlers.
     
  10. Denny Crane

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14campaign.html

    Senator Barack Obama on Thursday released a list of $740 million in earmarked spending requests that he had made over the last three years, and his campaign challenged Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to do the same.

    The list included $1 million for a hospital where Mr. Obama’s wife works, money for several projects linked to campaign donors and support for more than 200 towns, civic institutions and universities in Illinois.

    The winning requests included more than $10 million for a military arsenal in Rock Island, Ill., to several million dollars for research on soybean disease and livestock genes at the University of Illinois and $100,000 for after-school clubs and sports programs at the Chicago Jesuit Academy.

    In other cases, Mr. Obama’s requests benefited political supporters.

    His campaign’s list said the senator had secured $1.3 million of an $8 million request in 2006 for a high-explosive technology program for the Army’s Bradley Fighting Vehicle. The list said the program was overseen by General Dynamics.

    One of Mr. Obama’s top supporters, James S. Crown, serves on the board of General Dynamics, a military contractor. Mr. Crown is a member of Mr. Obama’s national finance committee.

    Mr. Obama also secured $750,000 of a $3 million request for renovation of a space center named for Mr. Crown’s grandfather, Henry Crown, at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago.

    In addition to the University of Illinois, Mr. Obama secured several million dollars for a project at Chicago State University. Emil Jones Jr., the president of the Illinois State Senate and an early and powerful political benefactor of Mr. Obama’s, has been a dogged champion of Chicago State, and one of Senator Obama’s closest friends. A Chicago businessman, James Reynolds, sits on its board.
     
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    There are people in Illinois connected to Barack Obama? Wow, that's news.

    How is anything listed an example of "abuse"?
     
  12. Denny Crane

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    Maybe you should read the list again.

    Siphoning our (taxpayer's) money to his friends in exchange for political favors.
     
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    again, who cares? It is part of the game. He is just trying to represent his constituents to the same degree that other senators too. I honestly don't care. I don't care about the "bridge to nowhere." I care that Ms. Palin is mischaracterizing her actions, however, but I certainly understand it. My preference would be for her to just say, "look, my job is to represent and work for the citizens of my state, and I did that to the best of my ability. I felt we needed a bridge, and this is what governors do to get money to build bridges, and I would not be performing my duties as governor if I didn't pursue this avenue. Of the senate felt that it was exorbitant, then we would work to find another solution, but it isn't my job to make that assessment for them." I can understand why she won't do that, though.
     
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    Oh, I was supposed to read the list? Okay, hold on....




    Nope, I see an attempt to connect some of his earmarks with specific people he knows from his home state. Any idiot could write an article like this about any member of Congress, McCain aside.
     
  15. Денг Гордон

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    Seemed like a pretty even debate to me, which is a win for Obama, since this was the one debate where McCain could have made up a lot of ground if he had a strong performance, and he seemed to just lurch over like a grumpy old man all debate.

    The one x-factor would be the VP debate. If Palin comes out, and actually sounds like she knows what she's talking about, that could help bring the race close again, but I think that is doubtful.

    We just kept making fun of the moderator throughout the debate. He was horrible.
     
  16. Денг Гордон

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    Some poll just got released. Obama won the debate according to 40% of the people. 22% said McCain won. I assume the rest were tie or no opinion.
     
  17. Денг Гордон

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/26/politics/horserace/entry4482028.shtml

    I guess that is [/ELECTION]

    If John McCain can't win a foreign policy debate, he's toast.
     
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    McCain won hands down. You could see Barack was not comfortable, kind of rushed things at time, and had this look on his face when McCain was attacking him like "oh snap, you caught me, damn".

    I could care less about the polls, since I've never been involved in one, and no one I know has been either. So I'm not sure who the hell they're calling to ask for the candidates.


    GO MCCAIN!!!
     
  20. Денг Гордон

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    Here's how Obama won the debate:

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/why-voters-thought-obama-won.html
     

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