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oden WILL average EXACTLY 15.3 ppg/12.7rpg/2.7 bbg.


lets all calm the fuck down, im really over this drama bullshit.

 

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Players make the HOF for different reasons, some for offense and some for defense, and some for both. I would love for Oden to have ppg stats like some of the others mentioned, or rpg numbers for that matter, but I think that Oden has the best shot at making the HOF not based on his offensive stats as much as his defensive prowess. This is not to say that his offensive game will be lacking, but I am not expecting nearly the numbers as some of the others. Also, Oden is younger then most of the others listed and he also missed all last season and was injured the year before. So his stats may be temporarily stunted. Of course, if the injury lingers, the stuntation (new word) may prove more permanent.

But I think that from this season, we might not be able to tell how high the ceiling is for Oden. I think, if somehow he turns out to be a dud, we will be able to tell, but if he ends up putting up middle of the road stats, we will just have to wait and see how he improves from there.

 

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I find Oden to be extremely unique and essentially every player that would be presented I can argue against why they shouldn't be the bar.

I am primarily interested in the "why" people select certain players. For some players, I can see taking parts of player's games, eg Howard's and Amare's rawness in scoring, but then things start getting messy.

 

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Why so much?

Offensively, he's average. And he has a better scorer alongside him. Also, he has a quality backup.

Plus, there's the fact that he's got Nate as a coach. He's more known for letting big men do their jobs - as in, if they're defensive specialists, let them focus on that - and then having his scorers do their jobs.

I see Blake, Roy, Outlaw, and Aldridge as the main scorers; with Oden getting touches every once in a while. Oden would be more important on defense. I can't really see him getting more than 11 ppg - with Joel getting PT, too.

I don't necessarily argue with the rpg and bpg numbers - maybe a bit lower because of Joel and Aldridge being quality players, getting minutes, and rebounds.

 

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But you only have 250 posts!!! Come on man, listen to these very smart posters who are criticizing you for your own thread!

I thought it was pretty clear what the point of your original post was, but I guess I was wrong.

 

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Thanks brother.

 

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No one is criticizing HCP the person

Attempting to debate him about why he selected the players on his list is not criticizing him

 

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Wow, what the fuck, if this is how people are treated by admins for just making a thread for fun, then why the hell did we move here? I never saw this BS at BBF, I agree with HCP. A fuckin' admin hijacking a thread in a Portland forum, what a bunch of bull shit

 

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average offensively for what? a center? a rookie? i would argue that you are wrong in your assessment of his offensive game.

Blake as a main scorer? WHAT????

LMA doesnt get alot of rebounds, kinda similar to Dwight Howards rpg in playing with hedo and rashard at pf.

it all basically depends on his minutes, i am basing my numbers off of 36 mpg. he might end up getting alot less minutes, and therefore lower stats.

 

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LMAO @ Blake being a main scorer over Oden.

 

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well it takes a rare breed to point out that you missed some centers on your list OVER and OVER and OVER. bfd. he could have contributed to the thread and listed the centers whom he felt were dealt this great injustice in the first place.

i think we are all a little on edge still, lets just talk some bball!

 

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oh jesus. grow up. If you get this distressed just because someone disagrees with you then you shouldn't be talking about sports anywhere.

 

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I would argue that I watched him on Ohio State, and his offensive game wasn't all that great. I mean, sure, he could overpower college players. I'm not sure I could see him doing that consistently in the NBA. From time to time, sure...

Hmm..well, apparently you didn't understand. And/or I didn't explain enough. Blake isn't a main scorer, it's just that his specialty is scoring...and passing. As a role player. Whereas I see Oden's specialty being on the defensive end.

Hmm. Yeah, I know he doesn't get a lot of rebounds, but LMA's not as bad as Rashard in that aspect. Then again, I haven't watched LMA as much as you, I'm just basing this off a couple games. But there's also the thought that possibly, Greg will play alongside Joel - maybe- and Joel usually focuses on rebounding and defense, correct? He probably won't have as much pressure to grab rebounds as Dwight...and rebounding numbers aren't that high nowadays as it is.

Okay, 36 mpg, didn't know that. I should have asked. I guess I just see him getting 25-30. Also taking into account foul trouble, getting back from the injury, etc.

 

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LMAO at you not giving me a chance to explain and also contributing nothing to the thread. Good job!

I agree, and I appreciate you debating with me, Mr. Drexler.

 

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That may be true, but just imagine that Oden destroys some team for 30 points on 80% shooting, as Shaq used to so many times. Now imagine he does that a couple of times in a week or two, just because of circumstance.

Even with all of our other great offensive weapons, if Oden started demonstrating that kind of domination, I could easily see Nate throwing out the game plan and telling everybody, "Oden gets it in the post on every possession."

I'm not saying it's likely, or that Oden is going to be that dominant on the offensive end, but if he were it's not hard to imagine that we throw all the old plans out the window. There's absolutely nothing more devastating than a dominant offensive center.

 

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His game at to$u was significantly limited by the wrist injury and it taking away quite a bit of flexibility in his primary hand.

It is difficult to quantify how "raw" his offensive game is right now because of the lack of healthy games played over the past few seasons.

If you talked about Bayless and Rudy you'd have a better point

 

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I don't have such a high opinion of Nate. I can't see him adjusting like that.