Oden v. Bynum: are we going to be surprised?

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  1. Reep

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    No, I think their counterparts will make the difference.

    Last year:

    Game 1: Farmar makes the difference with 21 pts on 8/10 shooting
    Game 2: difference makers are Jack 21 pts on 7/10 and Outlaw 18 on 9/15
    Game 3: Kobe getst the win with 36, but without Roy, Webster and Outlaw get 23 each
    Game 4: Frye steps in for 22 and 11 reb, with Jack going for 15.

    It is given that Kobe is going to get his 30 or so points, but history shows the win depends on how the roll players step up.
     
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    Well I guess if you just assume Kobe is gonna get his then I guess you have a point
     
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    Make the sample small enough and everyone looks like a superstar. There was a 1 game sample when Tony Delk was taking the league by storm (scored 40-something points).

    Also, my comment about Mureşan wasn't meant to indicate that Bynum has no talent, like Mureşan. It was to point out that the big difference in talent (Oden considered one of the most talented center prospects ever, Bynum simply one of the most talented prospects from his draft class) makes the slight difference in size pretty irrelevant. Size doesn't determine who dominates; talent does.

    Size helps, but Oden has plenty of it.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    How about you look at Channing Frye's game long and take into consideration that LaMarcus was the starter for the beginning of the season...look from April til the end of the season

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3934/gamelog;_ylt=AvNp54uJcsMoL2l0b8Qk18WkvLYF
     
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    Bynum seems a little bit bigger then Greg, but in no way has he seemed as explosive let alone moreso. I really doubt those vert numbers... any idea when/where they were supposed to have been posted or is it just his unsubstantiated claims?

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    I agree I think anyone who has seen Greg and Bynum play would say Greg is the better athlete. Regardless I'm glad Greg will have someone to compete with hopefully it makes both of them better. In the end we'll get our 5-6 championships and the Lakers might get their 1 or 2 :P
     
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    Bynum supplied his numbers, but Greg's also seem a little low compared to the hops he showed in Summer league.
     
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    All I know is, is that the reality of these two will start Oct 28th...get your excuses ready
     
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    Maxiep an Minstrel...this was the first time Bynum was given a real chance...He played none or sporadic minutes until this year...I think you both know that and are just trying to put a negative spin since its a Lakers player :)
     
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    Nope. Just trying to show that any player who gets minutes can do well. It's especially true when they haven't been focused on. Bynum didn't stick around long enough to have defenses key on him. He started doing well and before teams could adjust, he was injured.
     
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    lol...whatever king L*ker hater...So is that why Kwame was so great with the Lakers because he was getting the minutes?...oh wait
     
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    It doesn't take any spin to place Bynum behind Oden as a prospect (which Bynum still is since he hasn't approached his prime, presumably). Most objective analysts would place Bynum behind Oden.

    I actually like Bynum a lot. I think he has a solid chance of being an All-Star center. However, I think "taking the league by storm" is way over the top for such a short time. Most players can have a strong run of games. Bynum showed off fine potential, but he hasn't dominated yet and I think almost every non-Laker fan would agree he's not as talented as Oden.
     
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    ^Find me these fans

    (gonna start a thread about it in the general forum)

    edit...nevermind, similar thread already there and it seems only Lakers fans and POR fans give a shit! :)
     
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    Uh, talk to all the people who have been calling Oden one of the best prospects ever for the last four years.

    Bynum wasn't even on anyone's radar until just before his draft.

    You're being a total homer if you can't even admit that Oden has long been regarded as the significantly better prospect by scouts.
     
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    Better prospect when coming out? Absolutely....good thing that doesnt mean shit, Im talking about right now
     
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    Right now, they are still prospects. Bynum has done nothing to suggest he'll be a better player in their primes.

    Oden is considered a once-in-a-generation talent, Bynum isn't.
     
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    I think the correct statement would be "Bynum wasn't." Bynum did seem to have something click toward the end of the season. I think he averaged 19 pts, 13 reb, and more than 2 blocks for a month. Those are pretty solid numbers for someone his age.

    It is too early to say which will be better in their prime, but before last season, Bynum shouldn't have even been mentioned. Now, I think you have to take him seriously. My guess is that in another two or three years, they will be considered the two best centers in the game. Which one is on top remains to be seen.
     
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    Blah blah blah, once in a generation, blah blah blah...we shall see my friend. Bynum has actually played and produced at a high level in the NBA...The only taste we have of Oden is 10 fouls in one game:ghoti:
     
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    Well you are half right :devilwink:

    Honestly, good post
     
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    If that's Bynum's idea of "high level," maybe I jumped the gun saying he could be an All-Star. ;)

    I hope, for your sake, that he actually has a high level in his future, rather than the efficient mediocrity of last year.
     

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