Designated scapegoat?

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by oldmangrouch, Sep 30, 2008.

  1. Stepping Razor

    Stepping Razor Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2008
    Messages:
    188
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Martell or Nate
     
  2. Magnum

    Magnum Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    70
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Location:
    New York
    With so many talented and exciting young players, we're going to have a problem defining roles. There are just too many players and not enough minutes.

    I'm very afraid that Nate is going to tinker at PG and SF. Or play reserves too many minutes at the expense of having Roy, Aldridge, Oden on the court.

    He's going to be the scapegoat if things don't get off to a great start.
     
  3. PapaG

    PapaG Banned User BANNED

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    32,870
    Likes Received:
    291
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tualatin, OR
    My thoughts on this are primarily based on BBF discussions, but Outlaw seems to be the most likely "scapegoat" for a few reasons.

    1) There are some hardcore Webster fans who have their vision of Outlaw colored by a bit of negative bias toward him.

    2) Travis' game lends itself to criticism. I've had many debates about Outlaw, and his "lack of passing" is always used as a criticism against him. The problem for Travis is that he is not asked to pass, or at least he wasn't last year. He was to be the primary scorer off of the bench, and that's what he was.

    3) The third reason does fall on Travis. Will he be able to adjust his game with the addition of offensive players Fernandez and Bayless off of the bench? The simple fact is that there won't be as many shots available for him on the second unit, so can he defend better, rebound better, and can he run the floor with consistency?

    4) Finally, somewhat tied to #3, the fan response to Outlaw averaging less ppg will be used as an argument against him if the team struggles. That one is probably the most obvious reason of the four.

    I'll admit that I am an Outlaw fan, but the reality is that he may be better off used as a piece in a trade (for someone other than Kyle Lowry, lol) in order to get a more experienced SF option for the next 4 years. The only reason to keep him is if the team feels he can be that SF for the next four or five years, and I'm not even close to being sold on that point.
     
  4. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    12,405
    Likes Received:
    310
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I think medicore man will be the scapegoat . . . oh you're talking the Blazer team. Never mind.
     
  5. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    45,065
    Likes Received:
    33,796
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Sales Manager
    Location:
    Cincinnati
    No one. Unless someone does something stupid (like all other scapegoats have).
     
  6. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    44,775
    Likes Received:
    27,532
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say either Oden or Pritchard if he gets hurt.

    If not I say Nate. He is an obvious choice because if the team isn't doing well people will say he should be starting someone else since so many of our players are interchangable
     
  7. Tortimer

    Tortimer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2008
    Messages:
    2,863
    Likes Received:
    72
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Seaside, Oregon
    I sort of agree with some who said Oden might be the scapegoat. I remember Walton was the scapegoat the first couple years with the Blazers. I had season tickets and there were people(season tickets) in front of me that didn't even want Walton to play. I got mad at them one time and told them to basically shut up in the nicest way I could. I told them if we ever want to win a championship they have to play Walton and the fans need to get behind him. It is funny when we won the championship and the following year the same people that didn't want Walton to play were his biggest fans.:crazy:
     
  8. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,303
    Likes Received:
    5,884
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Merchant Banker
    Location:
    Denver, CO & Lake Oswego, OR
    Jay Jensen. Why can't he keep our guys healthy?
     
  9. Piltzer

    Piltzer The Intern

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Occupation:
    Unpaid Office Suport Intern
    Location:
    Portland
    +1 Seriously I think that this could be the biggest scape goat. Knock on wood.
     
  10. MikeDC

    MikeDC Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    5,643
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Occupation:
    Professor
    Location:
    Indianapolis, IN
    I think Outlaw for sure. For the reasons mentioned, and for his semi-goofy/overconfident sounding "I'm should be a starter" routine a few weeks ago. That kind of stuff gets old quick unless it's backed up in a major way on the court.
     
  11. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    26,622
    Likes Received:
    20,298
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Poster Boy
    Location:
    Blazerlandia
    Hey now. I personally never ragged on Sheed or Zach, although I did recognize Zach's strengths and weaknesses. But I was all over Jarrett Jack. I'm so glad he was traded: The Blazers are soooo much better with Bayless, Rudy, and an improved Sergio (yes, I think Sergio will be much better than last year -- although he may not sniff the court).

    I don't think Bayless will be scape-goated. Too young. Blake is steady and I don't think he'll underperform from people's expectations. Probably Martell or Travis if either falters. I hope it isn't anyone. We have enough good players now that someone who shouldn't be on the court (aka Jack), won't be.

    Go Blazers.

    :cheers:
     
  12. oldguy

    oldguy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2008
    Messages:
    2,817
    Likes Received:
    78
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I"m betting Joel. I think we'll hear a lot of bullcrap about him not being a scorer, and makes SOOOOO much money.
     
  13. Tortimer

    Tortimer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2008
    Messages:
    2,863
    Likes Received:
    72
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Seaside, Oregon
    It looks like Outlaw and Bayless our the scapegoats this year. I can see why with how Outlaw has started out playing these first couple games but I think Bayless didn't play that bad with trying to learn the PG position. I have a feeling unless one or both start having big games soon these are going to be this years scapegoats.:lol:
     
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2008
  14. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2008
    Messages:
    26,096
    Likes Received:
    9,073
    Trophy Points:
    113
    they also, coincidentally, are the two "available" names that all the GMs are starting to know. Of course we're not trading the Big Three (though LMA+ for Lebron...nevermind), but everyone gets that Travis was a clutch scorer last year, and Bayless couldn't be stopped at SL.

    Would you rather have Bayless or, say, Nash or Billups? Would you rather have Outlaw or, say, Prince or Battier or Adam Morrison (j/k, threw that out there to see who's paying attention) Gerald Wallace?
     
  15. Ed O

    Ed O Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    10,701
    Likes Received:
    2,826
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    Gerald Wallace would be a fascinating addition to this team... he doesn't bring the perimeter shooting we'd all love but he's strong and athletic and might develop into a ridiculous defensive player. Plus he makes a ton of money on a bad team, and Portland's a franchise that can afford to take on his contract while sending value back to Charlotte.

    Ed O.
     
  16. andalusian

    andalusian Season - Restarted

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    15,237
    Likes Received:
    14,647
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    San Marcos, CA
    He also brings the kind of injury history we have come to appreciate on this team ;)

    But I agree, he sure is an interesting prospect for this team.
     
  17. TradeNurkicNow

    TradeNurkicNow piss

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    5,196
    Likes Received:
    676
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    hell
    Location:
    shit
    Given the Outlaw hate already cropping up on the forum, I'm guessing it will be him.

    Runners up include Bayless, Nate and Sergio.
     
  18. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    93,976
    Likes Received:
    57,109
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    I would love to get Wallace.
     
  19. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2008
    Messages:
    9,315
    Likes Received:
    3,004
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Afflalo
     
    HailBlazers and Strenuus like this.
  20. BlazerCaravan

    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2008
    Messages:
    28,071
    Likes Received:
    10,384
    Trophy Points:
    113
    2008-2009 - Outlaw
    2009-2010 - LaMarcus
    2011-2012 - Felton
    2012-2013 - Hickson
    2013-2014 - Leonard
    2014-2015 - Afflalo
    2015-2016 - LeBron
     
    rasheedfan2005 and magnifier661 like this.

Share This Page