Joe Six Pack

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  1. Shapecity

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  2. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I look at the issue of appeal, and to me it isn't an issue of smarts, it's an issue of common sense vs. intellectualism.

    What Sarah Palin represents are those people who live their lives a certain way and sees those in government live in an alternate reality.

    Most people pay their mortgages and try to live within their means. Government asks others to do with less while they ask for more. When people try and fail, they have to live with the consequences. When government tries and fails, it was because they weren't given enough resources to accomplish their goals and it's always someone else's fault. Outside of the Beltway a decrease in spending means spending less. Inside of it, it means that the percentage increase declined from the year before. It's Superman's Bizarro World. Outside of the Beltway, every dollar counts. Inside of it, $18B in earmarks is a "small amount".

    Is she hokey? Yep. Is she the brightest bulb? Nope. That being said, she appears to have common sense, and that's her appeal to many people. Those people who many in here mock have the same right to vote as do we. To dismiss them is a real mistake.

    The best managers aren't Einsteins; the best managers hire Einsteins. I'm not looking for someone who is the smartest guy in the room, because intellectuals tend to live life in the abstract. I'm looking for someone who understands certain principles of what this country stands for and who will govern by them.
     
  3. Denny Crane

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    No. But it's rare for a sitting VP to be elected president. GHW Bush and John Adams are the only two I think did it.

    Not the same thing as becoming president when the sitting president dies or resigns, like LBJ or Ford, and not the same thing as a former VP being elected, like Nixon.
     
  4. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Don't forget Martin Van Buren.
     
  5. ucatchtrout

    ucatchtrout Well-Known Member

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    She's not all that.

    She is an arrogant twit who is full of herself. She claims she wants to expand the power of the VP beyond what Dick Cheney has. She has ignored supoenas in Alaska, as has her husband, and she has asked others in her administration to do the same. She has demonstrated that she sees herself as above scrutiny and criticism, and falsely portrayed herself as a good little hockey mom with the interests of joesixpack at heart. What her record really shows is Sarah Palin cares about Sarah Palin, and she doesn't give a flying fuck about the constitution what the name of the general running the war in Afghanistan is, or anything else.
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    <object width="464" height="388" classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000"><param name="movie" value="http://www2.funnyordie.com/public/flash/fodplayer.swf?5320a921" /><param name="flashvars" value="key=fd08e52311" /><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><embed width="464" height="388" flashvars="key=fd08e52311" allowfullscreen="true" quality="high" src="http://www2.funnyordie.com/public/flash/fodplayer.swf?5320a921" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed></object><div style="text-align:center;width: 464px;">See more <a href="http://www.funnyordie.com/">funny videos</a> at Funny or Die</div>
     
  7. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Yep, you don't like Sarah Palin. I get it.

    I don't think she's a very good candidate either. I was explaining her appeal. I'm sorry if that bothered you.
     
  8. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I must say, that video wasn't that funny.
     
  9. ucatchtrout

    ucatchtrout Well-Known Member

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    lol... no worries. I had a little more to drink tonight than I should have and I got a little carried away. I guess what really bothered me about all the folksy nonsense was that Palin displayed seemed fake to me. When the master communicator himself, Ronald Reagan did stuff like that it worked because he was a genuinely charming human being. I disagreed with his politics, but I do believe he was sincere. If he wasn't....well, he sold me his act and I bought it hook, line and sinker. I'm not buying Palins act. I see no substance there, I see a woman puttin on a show.
     
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    She is from a small town in Alaska that I had never heard of prior to her candidacy, and last year she finally cleared $100k with Todd as the governor of Alaska, although he lost $10k racing something called a snow machine.

    She IS folksy, by definition. I'm sorry you are jaded about it, but I would imagine your take would be different if Joe Biden wasn't asking people to join him tomorrow at a restaurant that closed in 1990 to prove his "Six Pack" bona fides.
     
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    Disagree.

    She is an elitist hick, and a member of a wacko church that some might even label a cult.

    If she was truly folksy she might have shown a bit of compassion when Biden choked up over the car accident, but no, she changed the subject and went back to spouting off about what a maverick John McCain is and what a maverick she is.

    She has her own agenda. And she doesn't really give a damn about Joesixpack.
     
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    What a wacko religious nut!

    IFILL: Governor, would you support expanding that beyond Alaska to the rest of the nation?

    PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. And unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead.

    But I also want to clarify, if there's any kind of suggestion at all from my answer that I would be anything but tolerant of adults in America choosing their partners, choosing relationships that they deem best for themselves, you know, I am tolerant and I have a very diverse family and group of friends and even within that group you would see some who may not agree with me on this issue, some very dear friends who don't agree with me on this issue.
     
  13. ucatchtrout

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html


    and what comes from this church which

    and that is tame compared to some of the other ideas this church and Palin promote.
     
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    Former Senator Chafee Calls Sarah Palin a “Cocky Wacko” and I Couldn’t Agree More
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    Former, easygoing, Rhode Island Sen. Lincoln Chafee has referred to Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin, as a, ”cocky wacko,” during comments to a Washington think tank.

    I couldn’t agree more.

    Chafee claims that Palin’s mere nomination and recent foolish comments have energized Obama backers. ”People were coming into my office, phone calls were flooding in, e-mails were coming in, ‘I just sent money to Obama, I couldn’t sleep last night’ — from the left. To see this cocky wacko up there,” he said.

    Chafee has come out and said what most on the left are already thinking, and that is that Palin, a fundamentalist Christian, social Conservative, harbors positions that are downright dangerous. These positions include:

    - Choose life, even if her own daughter were raped. (Nov 2006)

    - Ok to deny benefits to homosexual couples. (Aug 2006)

    - No spousal benefits for same-sex couples. (Jul 2006)

    - We don’t know what the plan is to ever end the war. (Aug 2008)

    - Focus on fighting Al-Qaeda terrorists, not on reading rights. (Sep 2008)

    - “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?” –Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC’s “Kudlow & Co”, July 2008

    - “Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.” –Sarah Pailn, on the Iraq war, speaking to students at the Wasilla Assembly of God, June 2008

    - God made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as ultimately flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pickup trucks, snow machines and fishing boats.”

    I think it was a bit longer than 4000 years ago…the Egyptians were not riding dinosaurs last time I checked. Oh! That’s right! Sarah is a Christian fundamentalist, so that means the world is only four thousand years old. I’m so silly…

    And then there’s the comment on her willingness to go to war with Russia during an interview with Charlie Gibson on ABC…When asked by Gibson if under the NATO treaty, the U.S. would have to go to war if Russia again invaded Georgia, Palin responded: “Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you’re going to be expected to be called upon and help.

    “And we’ve got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable…”

    Wow.

    So let’s sum up shall we.

    An ex-prom queen who was a CEO for ten minutes, and governor of a state that no one talks about…ever…is one McCain ‘old man illness’ or death, away from the presidency. She has no concept of history, can’t define the duties of her potential job, is anti-gay, anti-civil rights, a bible thumping Christian fundamentalist who puts God ahead of women, would in all likely hood re-kindle a Cold War with Russia…I think we can stop now.

    You know, I was a hiring manager once, and I have seen Sarah Palin a million times. She is much like every other under-qualified woman looking to get hooked up in a job that is way out of her league, who thinks cute library glasses and a well-made push-up bra, somehow compensate for a general lack of critical analysis skills, regarding the issues and a thin resume. It is what it is, plus she’s a nut.

    If I wanted a nit-wit to be VP, I’d call Dan Quayle.

    For me, experience isn’t the issue with Palin, intelligence is.

    She’s walks like a bimbo, she talks like a bimbo, she utters bimbo-isms like her husband being the, “First dude…”, and we all know BIMBO=STUPID. Just because you’re easy to look at, doesn’t mean you can lead…sorry Sarah.

    This is the best America can do? Geraldine Ferraro makes Sarah Palin look like a circus side-show turned MILF political election year gag reel.

    It’s pathetic. I mean really. Is McCain desperate or what?

    Moreover, the Republicans have once again managed to distract America from the real problem - that problem being John McCain. You don’t hear him squaking about no media coverage anymore do you? Of course not. If the media was paying attention and actually holding McCain to the fire, he’d still be 5+ points behind Obama. But, in typical fashion, the media is ga-ga over the Cosmo VP nominee.

    Democrats need to re-focus on McCain for the next two months and let Palin implode. She has already started to. Hopefully her God given foolishness win win the day.

    http://capitolstreet.wordpress.com/...palin-a-cocky-wacko-and-i-couldnt-agree-more/
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I don't think you understand what this post means. Re-read it and try again.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    BTW, trout, I'd like to applaud your Yega-like ability to find every whackjob website on the internet.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    What do you think it means?
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    She's praying not only for the troops, but that the work they're doing is God's Plan. It's not that hard to decipher.
     
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    :) well, since hes not here someone has to do his work. its gods will. :cheers:
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I can't speak for Trout, but I took what he said as implying that's what she said. To me, that's crazy to think that us invading another country (and killing people) is "God's plan".

    That borders on a very dangerous cliff that I'm not about to hang on the shoulders of a God or religion.

    I would think that you'd think those on the other side of the fight thinking they're doing God's work (suicide bombers, jihadists, etc) are crazy, wouldn't you?
     

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