She is praying there is a plan and that its gods plan. What if it isn't gods plan? What if its Exxons plan, or Dick Cheneys plan, or George Bushs plan? Or if there is no plan at all. She is also praying that a new pipeline be built in Alaska and calling that gods plan. How the hell does she know if god has a plan? or what the plan might be? Is she in direct communication with god? Or does she leave that up to the pastor who prays that witches don't interfear with Sarahs political ambitions, or the pastor that says that those who disagree with George Bush are influenced by the devil?
I would think that not standing up to terrorists--who believe doing his work by intentionally killing innocent women, children and civilians--would be NOT doing his work.
You ask me to read her mind when I can only read her words. But from what I can read, she is praying that those who have chosen this path and those who are participating in it are doing God's work. Note that she's not saying it IS God's work (as that is unknowable), but that she prays that it is God's work. I'm not particularly religious, so I offer no insight other than reading comprehension.
So, your god knows better than THEIR god? National policy and international policy based on someones interpretation of what they think god wants or doesn't want is dangerous. Which is exactly why the founding fathers wanted to maintain a separation between church and state. When you put someone in office who defies subpoenas and the courts and takes their orders from the almighty and believes in the rapture you are traveling down a dangerous road.
maybe we just interpret her words differently. I watched the entire prayer and speech she gave that was posted on youtube.
I'm a little confused. You're saying that doing their work by killing innocent women, children and civilians is bad, but that us accidentally killing those same groups to stop the others is ok? Killing is killing, and a vengeful god is not a friendly god. [video=youtube;vweSLmSgO-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vweSLmSgO-k[/video]
Parsing the words, she is praying that the soldiers work also is god's work. Indicating that she doesn't know if it is or not. I happen to disagree with her position on gay marriage. It's a common law marriage, by definition, when two people live together as if married, and why should anyone care if a gay couple wants to call it marriage? So the church doesn't have to recognize it, that's their right. I do agree with her stated position that I heard with my own ears and posted here - that I would be tolerant of adults in America choosing their partners, choosing relationships that they deem best for themselves. As for HuffingtonPost, what a bunch of nutjobs.
I don't know if it is or not (because I'm agnostic), but I don't want to be putting the death of people in the name of God in that manner. And I would hope that we're past doing the "killing in God's name" thinking. I do consider praying to make sure what they're doing is "God's plan" no different than people killing people in God's name. Take "God" out of it, and it's more defend-able (our side). Do you see what I'm getting at? It's a touchy issue, so I might be explaining it bad. Marriage to me, should be a legal thing. The Church or religion, shouldn't have a say. Why not let gays and lesbians suffer like the rest of us?
some other sources of her previously stated opinions on gays and gay marriage. she appears to have flipflopped in the debate.
HRC says she's pretty anti-gay. Pretty, and pretty anti-gay. Could it be a winning combination for McCain? Here's what HRC has to say: Today, presumptive Republican Presidential nominee Senator John McCain announced he has chosen first term Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his choice to be his Vice Presidential running mate. Although only holding an executive, state-wide office for less than two years, Gov. Palin has already shown that she is a fierce opponent of equality. “America may not know much about Sarah Palin, but based on what our community has seen of her, we know enough,” said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese. “Sarah Palin not only supported the 1998 Alaska constitutional amendment banning marriage equality but, in her less than two years as Governor, even expressed the extreme position of supporting stripping away domestic partner benefits for state workers. When you can’t even support giving our community the rights to health insurance and pension benefits, it’s a frightening window into where she stands on equality.” When asked about the right-wing’s reaction to the choice of Gov Palin, the New York Times quoted Ralph Reed, the former head of the Christian Coalition as saying, “They’re beyond ecstatic”. Highlights of Governor Palin’s Anti-Equality Record: Prior to being elected governor, Palin supported the 1998 constitutional amendment barring marriage for same-sex couples and has said she would support a ballot measure overturning a state supreme court decision mandating benefits for domestic partners of state employees She is close to “traditional values” groups, like Family Research Council, because she is strongly anti-choice Marriage and Relationship Recognition Palin told the Anchorage Daily News that she supported the 1998 constitutional amendment on marriage. In addition, she told the Daily News that she would support a ballot question that would deny benefits to the domestic partners of public employees, which were ordered by an October 2005 decision of the Alaska Supreme Court, because, she said “honoring the family structure is that important." While she followed the Court’s decision and he also signed legislation –her first legislative act as Governor of Alaska—to put the issue on the April 2007 ballot for a nonbinding advisory vote. This was the only issue on the ballot and that election cost the state taxpayers $1.2 million. This measure passed, but the legislature did not follow the public’s advice and it chose not to take any further action to overturn the court’s decision. · She did, however, veto legislation passed by the state legislature in 2006 that would have prohibited providing DP benefits to state workers, in defiance of the Alaska Supreme Court’s ruling. She did this after the Supreme Court had already ruled and the Attorney General (Republican) advised her that the legislation was unconstitutional. Palin went on to state that, as a matter of policy, she was in favor of the bill. Ties to Anti-LGBT Groups She will be honored alongside anti-gay Representative Michelle Bachman (R-MN) at an event at the 2008 Republican Convention, the “Life of the Party,” sponsored in part by long-time opponent of GLBT rights, Phyllis Schlafly. http://www.examiner.com/x-391-Denve...tty-antigay--a-winning-combination-for-McCain
As far as I understand it, the God of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims are the same God. You make it out to be our toppling Saddam was a mission of conquest and domination. I've never seen it that way, but rather a mission of mercy and rescue. It's true that a lot of civilians have died, though I would point out that only a fraction by the hands of our soldiers and most of those in the first 3 weeks. It's a tough proposition - do you leave things as they are and stand by when 300,000 to 3M people are slaughtered by a brutal dictator we helped maintain power over the years, or do you topple him and suffer civilian deaths to save many more lives than are lost? Well, marriage has two meanings. It is recognized by the church, traditionally, going back millennium. It is recognized by the state for maybe half as long, and then in accordance with the church's definition. We are a secular nation that fosters all religions; at least we're supposed to be. Our laws are based in English common law going back centuries. See this for a better explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage
She's supposed to enforce the law of the land (Alaska). I see no inconsistencies with that in these out of context quotes you provide.
Geez, maybe someone should go find Michael Savage's site and post some anti-Obama stuff that sounds "true" too.
I do? That was a mission of deception and distraction. I don't say it's in the name of God or "his plan". We aren't his press box. It's "our" interpretation of what he "says". Don't pin it on him. That was purely our choice, and not his "master plan". To act like it was his plan to have millions suffer and die, to force us to come in and fix things, is an insult to me. To act like it was his plan to have us come in and fix things for them, or help others, is an insult to me. Leave God out of war. If you want to say that you wanted to safe the lives of countless people, that's one thing. But to act like it's "God's plan" to me is stepping on dangerous areas, because of the past things done in "God's name" or because it was "God's plan".
Bah. A holy war is not what any of this was ever about, except on the part of the Talliban and Al Qaeda. I fail to see the problem with a public official who's made such a decision based upon objective facts (the 300K to 3M are objective facts, we propped up Saddam is an objective fact) also hoping that it's part of god's plan for things. "God of Heaven has forgotten to defend the weak and innocent, and permitted the strong band of murderers and demons from hell to kill men, women, and children, and lay waste and pillage the land of the just." -- Abe Lincoln “Today the whole world is divided between human slavery and human freedom—between pagan brutality and the Christian ideal. We choose human freedom—which is the Christian ideal. No one of us can waver for a moment in his courage or his faith.” -- FDR "We must constitute ourselves trustees of this new force - to prevent its misuse, and to turn it into the channels of service to mankind. It is an awful responsibility which has come to us. We thank God that it has come to us, instead of to our enemies; and we pray that He may guide us to use it in His ways and for His purposes." -- Harry Truman "Did you see the ass on that one?" -- Bill Clinton
lol.. no, but in the interests of fair and balanced reporting i'll find one and post it. good comeback LINK TO VIDEOS OF REV WRIGHT http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125125
I'm not saying that a holy war and "god's plan" are the same. God's plan should not include killing. Regardless of the cause or justification for it. because I think that puts the blame on God instead of on those who are responsible. Leave God of it. Don't let some invisible dude be the one who we hope is the architect of events.
They're not looking to put the blame on god. All things equal, it would be a benefit (to a religious person) if it were ALSO part of some greater plan.
