Exactly Denny, and that part of the world is safer because of the reason we remained there. That's what McCain is talking about, if we want any success in Iraq and the Middle East we have to stay there and police those fanatics.
That's why I included . haha Look up his story and history Jurassic, Wikipedia has plenty of it. If you want links let me know, I'll be glad to help.
No. He made reference to those other countries as places where we have been for a long time, and was attempting to use it as justification for a longer stay in Iraq. I guess it's up for interpretation,but it seemed quite literal to me. [video=youtube;VFknKVjuyNk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk[/video]
No, he wasn't at all literally saying "we're going to have 150K troops there fighting like it is now for 100 years" Which is how his words have been twisted to mean.
LOL no. I'm not just trying to come after you personally CelticKing, I've heard a lot of people echo the same sentiment towards McCain and I'm trying to understand that theory. McCain was a POW, did some great things in war, but does that make him a hero? John Kerry did some great things, and threw his medals "in an ocean somewhere". Think of all the troops who went through the same and worse than McCain. Maybe that makes them heroes, but does it make them qualified to be president. And yes, please give me some links.
Unless McCain was a general or anything other where he commanded a large number of soldiers....I'm not sure its useful experience.
He was offered the chance to be freed from the Hanoi Hilton because his family was able to pull strings. He refused so some of his fellow prisoners would be freed instead. He ended up being a POW for 5 years or so. It's selfless in a way that defines heroism.
I personally don't see McCain as a "true hero." He was an underachieving, bullying slacker who got away with everything as a kid, and got into the Naval Academy solely because of his last name. He was a poor student. He crashed multiple planes--one could argue that he was the worst pilot in Naval history, since usually one crash will get a pilot reassigned. He ditched his wife after she was in a terrible car accident to marry a woman nearly 20 years younger than he. Despite living his entire live in Washington DC, Virginia, and Maryland, his new wife bought a house in Arizona and he immediately ran for office from that state. Almost immediately he exhibited poor judgment in the Keating scandal. Since then he has apparently changed his political views multiple times. He has demonstrated a terrible temper. Simply because he was a POW doesn't make him a "true hero." I'm sure it was a terrible experience, but it isn't relevant.
yes, he would have been freed, but he had to do some stuff first, like be filmed spouting anti-american and pro-vietnam nonsense that would have been used for propaganda.
Hey that's alright buddy, it's all fun here. Not accepting to come back when they offered him that, it automatically made him a hero, simple as that, he was willing to rot in prison and not leave his buddies behind, if that's doesn't make you a hero I'm not sure what else does. Also being a fighter pilot, that's an experience not many people in this world can brag about. Overall when you combine all the things he has done in his life, it has shaped him into a great candidate for the president, too bad the rest of America doesn't see this, since they already have blinders set in front of their eyes, with the help of the mainstream media.
Yeah I agree, and that was my point. I don't want to belittle what he went through, but how is that a qualification to be president? Especially when, as I mentioned before, there are those like Kerry who go through these things and obviously don't value them. To the point of throwing away his war medals. And CK, I admit I don't know much about his flight experience. But if what Dumpy is saying is true, McCain wasn't much of a pilot. I'll have to look it up myself of course, but how can someone who constantly crashes planes be considered a good or even acceptable pilot? None of that really matters to me too much though as far as the election.
Not relevant, eh? The guy fought and suffered for his country, was beaten almost to death, and can't even lift his arms above his shoulders or comb his hair because of what he went through, but he's not a "hero" in your book. Who's a "hero"? Some guy who catches touchdown passes or dunks a basketball? Get real.
I agree that simply being a POW is no qualification to be president. Sitting on the various House and Senate military committees he was on do qualify him.
Oooh, personal attacks. Excellent. Heros are made through intentional personal sacrifice for the sole benefit of others. Being a POW doesn't automatically make one a hero; what makes one a hero is the decisions one makes in the time leading up to becoming a POW. Once you are a POW, you lose your decision-making ability. From what I have read, I really question McCain's motivation and actions leading up to becoming a POW. It must have really sucked, but simply going through a bad experience doesn't make one a hero. Now if, he had allowed himself to be captured so that his fellow soldiers could escape--that would certainly qualify. In the future, I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to read my mind and make up opinions for me. I'll let it go this time, and answer you. I don't consider athletes "heroes." I care very little for sports in general. The closest athlete I can think of to "hero"--other than obvious exceptions such as Moe Berg--would be Greg Louganis, for (a) speaking out about the way other kids treated him as a child; (b) having the courage to climb back up to the platform a day after nearly cracking his head open ("If I didn't go back up there, I'd be afraid the rest of my life," he said--and it is true in everything in life when we first fail at something); and (c) coming out of the closet without shame. edit: to add to that, a true hero is someone who inspires others to act through his own courage or actions. Louganis was and is an inspiration to many. My personal heroes include people like Albert Einstein, and people who have worked tirelessly for the the benefit of society, without great compensation, such as the founder of CREW, which I've mentioned here before.
That's not a personal attack he was just asking you if McCain isn't a hero to you then who is? What the heck are you talking about? I'm guessing if Obama had went through what McCain went through he would have been your hero but this isn't a personal attack!
why must everyone impute beliefs and opinions to me? Where have I even hinted that Obama would be my "hero" had he been a POW under the same circumstances as McCain?
It's this gross sense that everyone has partisan bias (mostly because the accusers are, in fact, biased). BTW, CK only <3s McCain because of Kosovo.
