Greatest Retired players to never win a title?

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    and hes top 25 in 3 point percentage.Reggies the greatest shooter of all time.If he the 3 point line wasnt tooken out of the game.Reggies field goal percent would have been higher then Jordans.Believe me.Reggie hits about 60 percent of his shots from mid range.Hes just unbelieveable from mid range.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Peja16 @ Mar 3 2006, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and hes top 25 in 3 point percentage.Reggies the greatest shooter of all time.If he the 3 point line wasnt tooken out of the game.Reggies field goal percent would have been higher then Jordans.Believe me.Reggie hits about 60 percent of his shots from mid range.Hes just unbelieveable from mid range.</div>top 25 is nothing amazing, 3 point line hasnt been around that long.
     
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    Everyone else above were only like .1 to 1 percent ahead of him.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Peja16 @ Mar 3 2006, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Everyone else above were only like .1 to .10 percent ahead of him.</div>.1 and .10 are same thing [​IMG] And .1 can be the difference of 500 shots made as compared to attempted.
     
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    Let me edit that to 1 percent and i understand what your trying to say.Reggie didnt take that many 3 point shot attempts in each game he simply just played alot of games in NBA history.Reggie Miller only averaged 10 shot attempts per game for his career i believe.If he took twice as much shot attempts he would up on everybody by 2000 or more.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Peja16# @ Mar 1 2006, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow Reggie overated.Just wow.Do you ever hear this guy mentioned all day like Kobe Bryant or Lebron when he was playing.Nope.Reggies really underated and some people dont even consider the guy the greatest shooter ever which is completely retarded.Reggies underated and thats my opnion.He was never a flashy player and always chose to be a team player.He only took 10 shot attempts per game for his whole career and averaged 18 ppg.Can you imagine what he could have done if he shot the ball as much as Jordan,Kobe or AI?</div> During he career he averaged around 13 shots a game. He was a very good player, I just don't put him in the class with Karl Malone..etc...etc....He scored a lot because many of his shots were 3PT'ers and FT's. (Smart players get to the line).
     
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    Reggie is overrated because the guy wasn't even that great of a scorer and them combine it with his atrocious D you have one hell of a case. For god's sake the guy's best season was 24-4-4. He never won a ring, never one an mvp award. So how the hell is he being mentioned?And Kobe also abused him in 2000 :yahoo:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Mar 4 2006, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Reggie is overrated because the guy wasn't even that great of a scorer and them combine it with his atrocious D you have one hell of a case. For god's sake the guy's best season was 24-4-4. He never won a ring, never one an mvp award. So how the hell is he being mentioned?And Kobe also abused him in 2000 :yahoo:</div>Reggie Miller is not overated and Kobe didnt abuse him Shaq did.If i remeber he averaged around 40 ppg in the finals.Reggie Miller was a dynamite scorer.He just didnt take that many shot attempts.You can ask anyone in this thread Reggie would take clutch J's over 40 points any day.How the hell he is being mentioned.Oh lets see he stayed with one team for 18 years.He was THE GREATEST PACER OF ALL TIME.He was the career leader in 3pt mades.The greatest Free throw shooter of all time hands down and the greatest shooter of all time.He was also the greatest clutch player of all time.Im not trying to be biased here for Reggie.But he was a wounderful player and also helped the Pacers win.He even led us to the Playoffs when we were short handed.I dont mean to mean but its something that Kobe Bryant or Tracy Mcgrady couldnt do.Reggie Miller without a doubt is one of the greatest leader in NBA history.He always led his team to the right path.Always was a pass first player.He only shot at the right time or drew fouls because he was a master flopper.Reggie dedicated many Pacer fans and has alot of heart for everyone that loves him.Now if you wanna debate about this be my guest.But Reggies my favorite player of all time and I believe he needs to be mentioned.I cant even believe u said "How the hell he was mentioned.That was honestly the most retarded remark i heard in this whole entire thread.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Mar 4 2006, 04:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>During he career he averaged around 13 shots a game. He was a very good player, I just don't put him in the class with Karl Malone..etc...etc....He scored a lot because many of his shots were 3PT'ers and FT's. (Smart players get to the line).</div>Oh and Bcb i caculated the numbers of the top of my head.Its like 12. something i dont know lol.
     
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    Reggie Miller is considered by many people to be one of the greatest ever, and for that I say he is overrated.Name something he did besides shoot jumpers off screens? He played absolutely no defence, he was a mediocre passer and rebounder, and had troubles getting to the line on a consistent basis. He has never been able to carry a team like some of the other all time greats, and therefore did not win anything. Yes, some people are simply unlucky, but Reggie only got to the NBA Finals once in 18 years, most of those years in which he was the Pacers marquee player. He hit some clutch shots, I'll give him that, but that is no reason to call this guy one of the greatest ever.He had one or two ways to score, and he did nothing else besides use these ways to score. He couldn't create for others, couldn't rebound the ball, and he couldn't stop anyone. Reggie was a one dimensional player who happened to score a bunch, normally at the right times. While he was still unselfish, while he was still perhaps a top 50 player, there is no way he is one of the Greatest, top 15 players ever like so many state. Reggie is overrated
     
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    Peja you don't remember in 2000 when Kobe abused Reggie with what, like 4 shots on 4 different plays? Kobe was 21 and embrassed Reggie for everyone to see.Secondly who cares if he was loyal? Does that add to his greatness? John stockton was at Utah for 19 years.And since no-one has clarified this i will. MichaelJordan is the most clutch player on this universe. Thank you.edit: And i stick by gun, why is he being mentioned. Karl Malone, John stockton, Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley and Gary payton are all better than Reggie. Reggie doesn't deserve to be in this discussion with such greats as above. He isn't in their league.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Mar 4 2006, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Reggie Miller is considered by many people to be one of the greatest ever, and for that I say he is overrated.Name something he did besides shoot jumpers off screens? He played absolutely no defence, he was a mediocre passer and rebounder, and had troubles getting to the line on a consistent basis. He has never been able to carry a team like some of the other all time greats, and therefore did not win anything. Yes, some people are simply unlucky, but Reggie only got to the NBA Finals once in 18 years, most of those years in which he was the Pacers marquee player. He hit some clutch shots, I'll give him that, but that is no reason to call this guy one of the greatest ever.He had one or two ways to score, and he did nothing else besides use these ways to score. He couldn't create for others, couldn't rebound the ball, and he couldn't stop anyone. Reggie was a one dimensional player who happened to score a bunch, normally at the right times. While he was still unselfish, while he was still perhaps a top 50 player, there is no way he is one of the Greatest, top 15 players ever like so many state. Reggie is overrated</div>First things first.I consider Reggie top 30 but hes not in the elite class of the greats but hes still not overated hes underated.Hes never brought up with the all time greats hes never brought up on espn.Reggie is underated on my opnion.He was never hyped up because he was just a shooter.Reggie Miller might be one dimensional but he was the greatest PURE SHOOTER IN NBA history period no challenges.He averaged 20 ppg on only 12 shot attempts which is amazing for just 12 shot attempts.I would like to see Mj or Kobe score that many points on only 12 shot attempts.Reggie Miller had a high basketball IQ and used his brain effieciently.He hit only a couple clutch shots.That makes me laugh.He hits atleast 15 clutch shots every single NBA season he played.Hes a amazing player in the clutch and dosent care about MVP awards or scoring alot of points.Reggies the greatest clutch player of all time period and like i stated before hes the greatest shooter and one of the greatest leaders of all time.Now dont hate on Reggie Miller because he has killed your team Melo.Him and Kobe faired up preaty well but Shaq Killed us not Kobe.Shaq was there best player he averaged over 40 ppg i believe.Shaq was astonishing and dominating the game NOT KOBE.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Peja16 @ Mar 4 2006, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First things first.I consider Reggie top 30 but hes not in the elite class of the greats but hes still not overated hes underated.Hes never brought up with the all time greats hes never brought up on espn.Reggie is underated on my opnion.He was never hyped up because he was just a shooter.Reggie Miller might be one dimensional but he was the greatest PURE SHOOTER IN NBA history period no challenges.He averaged 20 ppg on only 12 shot attempts which is amazing for just 12 shot attempts.I would like to see Mj or Kobe score that many points on only 12 shot attempts.Reggie Miller had a high basketball IQ and used his brain effieciently.He hit only a couple clutch shots.That makes me laugh.He hits atleast 15 clutch shots every single NBA season he played.Hes a amazing player in the clutch and dosent care about MVP awards or scoring alot of points.Reggies the greatest clutch player of all time period and like i stated before hes the greatest shooter and one of the greatest leaders of all time.Now dont hate on Reggie Miller because he has killed your team Melo.Him and Kobe faired up preaty well but Shaq Killed us not Kobe.Shaq was there best player he averaged over 40 ppg i believe.Shaq was astonishing and dominating the game NOT KOBE.</div>You seem to blame everyone for Reggie not having a ring, First its MJ,then its the Knicks, now its Shaq? You think maybe Reggie is to blame?And it's stupid to call him the greatest pure shooter ever when you've obviously only been watching the NBA for a few years, I have two words to answer your Reggie Miller is the greatest pure shooter ever,Bernard King! :g:
     
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    How can you blame Reggie Miller for our loses.We have just been getting stopped by better teams.Reggie has always done his job in MILLER TIME.But the last two years we have had bad luck with the our team and injuries.I call him the Best pure shooter because he was such a great 3 point shooter when i watched him play and was able to shoot in any situation.If he has to shoot off the dribble he could make that shot i have seen him do it.Reggie also most of the time makes his shots of screens.Hes a amazing shooter and the greatest shooter of all time.Now i dont know how this guy.I just dont understand that.Hes underated by Millions people.People are already saying Ray Allens better then Reggie Miller.Reggie Miller is underated and thats my opnion.I have been on many forums and everyone always thinks Reggies not that good because he only averaged 18 ppg.Reggie was never a ballhog and always put his team first because hes a team player and one of the greatest leaders of all time.How many <Censored> times do i have to state this to you Reggie haters.I do not consider him top ten or even top 20 but hes still one of the greatest players not to win and ring and hes one of the most underated players in NBA history.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Peja16 @ Mar 4 2006, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How can you blame Reggie Miller for our loses.We have just been getting stopped by better teams.Reggie has always done his job in MILLER TIME.But the last two years we have had bad luck with the our team and injuries.I call him the Best pure shooter because he was such a great 3 point shooter when i watched him play and was able to shoot in any situation.If he has to shoot off the dribble he could make that shot i have seen him do it.Reggie also most of the time makes his shots of screens.Hes a amazing shooter and the greatest shooter of all time.Now i dont know how this guy.I just dont understand that.Hes underated by Millions people.People are already saying Ray Allens better then Reggie Miller.Reggie Miller is underated and thats my opnion.I have been on many forums and everyone always thinks Reggies not that good because he only averaged 18 ppg.Reggie was never a ballhog and always put his team first because hes a team player and one of the greatest leaders of all time.How many <Censored> times do i have to state this to you Reggie haters.I do not consider him top ten or even top 20 but hes still one of the greatest players not to win and ring and hes one of the most underated players in NBA history.</div>Wow your really need some help on your writing. You know, there is ways to conjoin sentences?but to the point, if Reggie was such an amazing leader how came they only made it the finals once and at that time it was on another players back,despite playing in the weakest eastern conference the NBA has ever seen?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Mar 5 2006, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow your really need some help on your writing. You know, there is ways to conjoin sentences?but to the point, if Reggie was such an amazing leader how came they only made it the finals once and at that time it was on another players back,despite playing in the weakest eastern conference the NBA has ever seen?</div>Yes i do but this is not Language Arts class.Thank you.This is simply a basketball forum where people chill and express there opnions.I'll say again.Reggie just ran into better teams thats all.Reggie always did his job and even averaged like 28 ppg in the finals but Reggie always was stopped by a better team.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>but Reggie always was stopped by a better team.</div>[​IMG] 'HA HA'
     
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    No-one said Kobe dominated. However he made Reggie look like a bystander in overtime in Game 4.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Peja16 @ Mar 4 2006, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First things first.I consider Reggie top 30 but hes not in the elite class of the greats but hes still not overated hes underated.Hes never brought up with the all time greats hes never brought up on espn.Reggie is underated on my opnion.He was never hyped up because he was just a shooter.Reggie Miller might be one dimensional but he was the greatest PURE SHOOTER IN NBA history period no challenges.He averaged 20 ppg on only 12 shot attempts which is amazing for just 12 shot attempts.I would like to see Mj or Kobe score that many points on only 12 shot attempts.Reggie Miller had a high basketball IQ and used his brain effieciently.He hit only a couple clutch shots.That makes me laugh.He hits atleast 15 clutch shots every single NBA season he played.Hes a amazing player in the clutch and dosent care about MVP awards or scoring alot of points.Reggies the greatest clutch player of all time period and like i stated before hes the greatest shooter and one of the greatest leaders of all time.Now dont hate on Reggie Miller because he has killed your team Melo.Him and Kobe faired up preaty well but Shaq Killed us not Kobe.Shaq was there best player he averaged over 40 ppg i believe.Shaq was astonishing and dominating the game NOT KOBE.</div>Spacebar...its the long button on the bottom of your keyboard[​IMG]I decided Id help you locate this wonderfull tool..Dont worry, the spacebar is completely harmless and safe for users of all ages [​IMG]...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Mar 5 2006, 06:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No-one said Kobe dominated. However he made Reggie look like a bystander in overtime in Game 4.</div>And why dont you talk about the game Kobe score like 7 points and Reggie had like 30 something....<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Mar 5 2006, 08:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Spacebar...its the long button on the bottom of your keyboard[​IMG]I decided Id help you locate this wonderfull tool..Dont worry, the spacebar is completely harmless and safe for users of all ages [​IMG]...</div>I always use it HoopsKid....
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yes i do but this is not Language Arts class.Thank you.This is simply a basketball forum where people chill and express there opnions.</div>It's hard if you can't make out what a person is trying to say. That's the point, and also it's a good thing to type well with grammar on a board otherwise why even learn it if your gonna butcher it with laziness.
     

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