very, very true...B-Diddy did just get the number's because of the system. But I do still stand by the argument that DWill shoulda been an All-Star....but I think after last years playoff showing...that won't happen again...He's too far up on the list now. As for BRoy...it's gonna be a shame, because of the added talent taking away touches and his "non-flashy" way of playing...he'll never get the amount of All-Star respect he will deserve from now on...Not a ballot All-Star....but he could keep getting in as a coaches pick
I don't think you're trashing Roy (except the whatever you're smoking comment ). But Brandon is ready to take that next step IMO with this team. And judging by what he's been saying in the preseason, the guy is ready to take over and be THE man. It just took him a little while to reach the level that I think he can be this season. I'll give you that Paul is just on another level, the guy is amazing. Those three guys are going to do battle for the next decade, and I think Roy could more than hold his own against Paul.
you had me until the "more than hold his own against CP3" comment...lol...it's hard for a whole team to contain Paul...lol. But I'm a fan of Roy....I was pissed when my Wolves traded him on draft day for Foye....I really like Foye as well...but I just had a feeling we made a big mistake letting Roy go. Kinda like when we traded Mayo....but then I weighed the Pro/Cons....now I'm feeling better
That's all well and fine....the point some of us are trying to make is, if Roy is a future 6 time allstar, then Paul is a future 15 time allstar and DWill is a future 10-12 time allstar...lol. Although Roy is good, he still won't be seen as a "ballot-allstar" (ie; no flashy play for the fans to oogle...lol)...but he'll get in on coaches votes.
I think most of you are forgetting how many seasons Roy has played in the league and that Deron has one extra year under his belt. Also Roy played well enough in the All-Star game last year to be a MVP candidate out of all of the leagues All-Stars. I think we are all under estimating how good Roy can become simply because of his calm demeanor on the court and how he effects the game seamlessly. Look at how Roy stacks up against some well known all-stars, and I think Roy has a better head on his shoulders than most of these guys, also it just reminds me why Grant Hill is probably my favorite player. Rebs Asts Pnts Roy 2nd Year - 4.7 5.8 19.1 Deron 2nd Yr - 3.3 9.3 16.2 Peirce 2nd Yr - 5.4 3.0 19.5 R. Allen 2nd Y -4.9 4.3 19.5 Kobe 3rd Year - 5.3 3.8 19.9 G. Hill 2nd Yr - 9.8 6.8 20.2 Carter 2nd Yr - 5.8 3.9 25.7 What stands out most to me is that Roy is the 2nd highest in assists on this list outside of the PG (D.Williams). He already is a better distributor than any of these guy were at this stage of their career outside of Hill, I could see Roy retiring with Averages of 25, 7.5asts, 5.5 rebounds. Oden should help him get more assists as well as a better and more mature supporting cast in the coming years
Why is it that some people are taking offense to the topic? I'm not saying that Roy isn't a good player...and I'm not underestimating him. I'm just pleading DWill's case that Roy is supposedly better than DWill simple because he made the All-Star game? D-Will was snubbed and shoulda made it last year...and when it's all said and done...he will probably be in more All-Star games than Roy
yes I see what you're talking about... you've a disagreement with the NBA coaches in the Western conference and feel that you know better then them which is (of course) ridiculous. When confronted with these facts, you're getting upset and blaming the messenger. Try not to be so sensitive. STOMP
It all depends on our record. Roy wouldn't have been voted into the All-Star game by the coaches if we didn't win those 13 games in a row in December. The timing was perfect for him. If the All-Stars were voted in after the season was over (like the NFL) then Roy wouldn't have made the cut. Winning teams get more players into the All-Star game. Look at the Pistons. Winning=Respect. Roy will never be an MVP candidate (he doesn't dominate the ball enough for 40 minutes a game) but I think he'll make 5-6 All-Star appearances.
I am on record that people are still underrating Roy. I have a feeling he is going to have a really great year as well.
Roy will be an all star virtually every year. Coaches love the way he plays I don't see that changing. Coaches are obviously better at judging players than we are. They have to game plan against guys like Baron, DWilliams and Roy so if they chose Roy there is a reason.
B-Roy will be a perennial All Star, but maybe not this season. Our early schedule is brutal so I fear our record will not be that impressive during the time that fans vote.
Ray Allen had 8 All-Star appearances. I think in his prime Roy is going to be that level of talent. Never the best shooting guard in the league, but always in that list of other guys you have to talk about while making the list. Rip Hamilton had 3 All-Stars. But I think most people already rate Roy higher than Hamilton in his prime. He probably won't make 8 all-star appearances because his game isn't as flashy. But he'll get more than 3, because he'll be a bigger key to the team's success than Hamilton. Really tough to say with any certainty, though. This current team has the potential to pull off a 6 championship dynasty if everything clicks. If it comes close to doing that, Roy will get plenty of All-Star recognition.
If you think Roy couldn't handle Paul on the defensive end, then I doubt Paul could handle Roy one on one defensively either. Tim Duncan has gotten in for years and he's not flashy. Not saying Brandon is at Duncan's level but you don't need to be all flash to get in. And I fail to see your proof that if Roy gets in six all-star games, then Paul and DWill are 10-15 time All-Stars because they're more flashy? They may be more well-known players right now but I'm thinking people will know who Roy is come this year, which is what my original point was.
I don't think we've reached the pinacle of what Roy can do yet. D. Williams had a better supporting cast last year and plays a different position- so tough to compare. One point that I don't think is considered enough is that Roy is the type of all-star that is also a glue player- I don't think you can say that about many shooting guards (mcGrady for instance). He does the little things and is our team's leader. He told off Zach Randolph as a rookie. Would I bet on Roy making the all-star game several more times? i definitely wouldn't bet against him- he will keep getting better, barring injury.
umm.....what? just the fact that you are responding in such a negative direct fashion further proves that you are getting sensitive toward what I have to say. Isn't everyone entitled to their say so? I hope you took the time to direct you frustrations towards the other posters in the forum who were stating the same ideals I am. And if you took the time to actually read and understand what i was saying instead of trying to just raise a fuss, you would notice that I clearly said I had no problem with Roy being an all-star and like his style of play. I'm just putting it out there that with Roy's style of game he will not ne a consistent "ballot-allstar" meaning the fans will more often than not pass him over for the more flashier players and get in on coaches votes (that proving how you chose to disregard my comment to try and make an ignorant comment on how I "think I know more than coaches") But it's all good, just make sure you read someones full comment and "understand" it before you call someone out for something you clearly overlooked. Damn....my fingers hurt....lol oh...ahhhh......tap!!! lol
Great quote from last night "In a back hallway in Arco Arena, I overheard Kings' VP of basketball operations Wayne Cooper muttering to a colleague: "That Brandon Roy is (bleeping) good.'' I think we'll see an even better Roy than last year. With Rudy and Oden now in the lineup teams can't double or triple team him like they use to do.
