Eagle: Nets Didn’t Believe Carter and Jefferson Could “Co-Exist”

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It's more accurate to say that RJ couldn't co-exist with Carter.

Vince is willing to do whatever the team needs. RJ wants to do whatever the team needs as long as it's what RJ needs.

 

I'm not convinced, but hopeful, that Carter can be a Type A leader that we need.

 

There it is.

 

Not sure that I agree. I don't see how Vince has changed his game at all.

It is strange how Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson are painted as selfish malcontents by some on here, while giving Vince a pass. I don't recall this criticism of them before Vince Carter arrived.

 

They weren't malcontents then, RJ wasn't selfish, and the team was winning. Losing changes people. Kidd actively sabotaged the Nets, and RJ started listening to the people telling him he should be a superstar instead of sacrificing for the team.

 

Interesting. Who was telling him?

Maybe these people you speak of were telling him he needs to help the team on the offensive end. Kidd isnt a scorer and VC needs someone else to help with the scoring load.

 

Why? The Nets went to the finals with a team where nobody averaged 15ppg. RJ is not a superstar. He's not even an All-Star. He was clearly putting himself above the team last year. His reward was an all-express trip to Wisconsin.

 

Haha. "all-expense paid". I can't edit on this thing!

 

Vince can't co-exist with anybody. He couldn't do it with Tmac, left before he got a chance with Bosh, and now RJ. Vince is kinda like AI (so many experiments: Stack, Hughes, Robinson, KVH, Iggy/Korver, Webber, etc)

 

Nothing like revisionist history. McGrady didn't WANT to co-exist with Carter because he couldn't stand being second banana, which he would always have been in Toronto, both in the eyes of fans and the coaching staff. If anything makes this clear, it's the interviews given by McGrady and his mother to, I believe, Sports Illustrated after McGrady left for the Magic. Cheap shots aimed at Carter (and the organization) showing a resentment that he was the more well-regarded player.

 

Vince didn't want McGrady to leave. Carter wanted him to resign with the Raptors and wanted it to work. Except McGrady felt playing beside a hugely popular Carter at the time would over shadow him so he wanted his own team and spotlight. And Vince left Toronto because he didn't like Raptors management, not because of Bosh.

 

Yeah that is true, Vince came out and said that things could have worked with McGrady. I know he didn't leave because of Bosh, I was just saying that he didn't give it a chance. Same thing with McGrady, he didn't want to wait for Dwight Howard to develop, he wanted instant success. It must run in the fam.

 

Can you elaborate about RJ listening to the wrong people? This is the first I've heard about this. Is it true, or just a hunch? Based on the interviews of his that I've read since he's been a Net for 7 years, he has always come through as a thoughtful and insightful person. It seems out-of-character that he would change that after 6 years.

 

Yeah but there were like 5 people averaging 15pt and then you add the rest of the bench.

Someone had to step up the scoring. VC and RJ both had to average 20+. The only other person that was going to average 15 would have been Krstic, but he hadnt recovered completely.

 

My main issue is why trade Jefferson and get someone who is is like 1/3 the player he is in Simmons. I know Yi will be good and makes up for it some but they have this big hole at the 3 now, is Adam Morrison a possibility?

 

Simmons is the salary dump.
Yi is the young prospect.
Unfortunately no draft picks but Yi was a high pick in his draft.

 

So you think that RJ changing his game and becoming a far worse player helped the team?

How?

 

His play speaks a lot louder then his interviews. All of these guys have friends/family/agent telling them that they are being held back and they should take care of themselves. Why should RJ continue to be unselfish and sacrifice for a team when the franchise player doesn't care and the team has no chance to win? Here's an opportunity to get that ppg average up!