Palin breaks with McCain on gay marriage amendment

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  1. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Sure. The same argument could have been made by a racist about blacks voting: "Everyone can claim some rights they should have. I don't agree blacks should be allowed to vote, personally." I'm not sure how that's an argument. I realize your belief is that homosexuals should be restricted from marriage.

    I believe in things being allowed by default, and only made illegal if they cause harm to others.

    I didn't say anything about "lowly bible-thumpers." The difference between Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin is that Obama and Biden believe in the same rights for homosexuals and heterosexuals, even if the unions are called different things. McCain and Palin don't believe in giving homosexual unions the same rights, by any name.
     
  2. AgentDrazenPetrovic

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    No it isn't. Bigotry has a component of HATE within it.

    Opposing gay marriage is separate from hating gay people. Its a disagreement with their lifestyle and a definition of what they feel marriage should be defined as.
     
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    Nope...

    big·ot·ry /ˈbɪgətri/
    –noun, plural -ries.
    1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

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    so everyone's bigoted. When people disagree with me, they are bigots?

    I'm using my definition of bigotry, and I believe it has a component of hate within it.
     
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    Intolerance is different than disagreement.

    Using your own definition of words tends to make it difficult to discuss things.

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    Nonsense.

    Having spoken with dozens of people who oppose gay marriage, the universal commonality they have with each other is a seething hatred for gays.
     
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    If they disagree with YOU, they're most likely NOT.:biglaugh:
     
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    Nicely stated.
     
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    I don't know who you speak with or the circles you keep to have that kind of %'s. I oppose gay marriage. I don't have hatred for gays.
     
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    Obama opposes gay marriage. Does he have hatred for gays? Is he a bigot?
     
  11. Haakzilla

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    link?
     
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    How do you reconcile those opposing statements?

    If you don't hate them, why do you want to control them like they were slaves or your dog?

    Let them live their lives, just as they let you live yours.

    This is what I mean by cowardly.

    You hate gays. Be man enough to admit it.
     
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    If you don't support gay marriage then DONT HAVE ONE!
    Seriously, why are gays and lesbians so segregated against?
    I wish more people lived life with an open mind and just went about their business.
    I am a believer in Christ, but am not one who thinks homosexuality is wrong (i don't care what anything says, it is my personal beliefs, God loves all)
    The world would be such a better place if we were all hippies(which pretty much describes me outside of the smokin mary jane part)..just relax and enjoy life instead of getting hung up on the most minuscule things.
     
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    Nope. See that is the crux here. They are NOT opposing statements. I do not wish to control them. Like I said earlier, I support civil unions with all the rights and benefits of marriage. However, I also support defining the term MARRIAGE as being between one man and one woman. I am just a traditionalist (in my own DEFINITION AGAIN) in this regard.

    To me, its a matter of semantics and definition.
     
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    well said (the last part esp). I don't understand why it is so many people allow such trivial things as what two consenting adults do to each other, fill their lives with such hate.

    I just don't get it. No gay or lesbian person has ever done anything to me, so why should I be a part of a group that segregates them from something that I, as a straight male, am allowed to do?
     
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    So you think Obama and Biden are filled with hate?
     
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    But a man and a woman who live together for years because they are great friends should? Makes no sense.

    The point being that common law marriage fits what gay people have been doing (living together as though married) for generations.
     
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    “Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I'm not perfect and I don't live to be. But, before you start pointing fingers, make sure your hands are clean.” - Bob Marley
    Pretty much a motto I like to live by..don't judge, God is the only one who can judge us, who knows everything that goes on.
     
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    Shit, historically all marriage was, is a contract between two men exchanging property rights, with the daughter of one man being offered to the other man as a means of completing the transaction -- which partially explains why sons were usually more coveted than daughters. The groom's obligation was to provide materially for the bride, relieving that father of the burden of having to care for her. The idea of marrying or cohabiting for "love" is a pretty new concept.
     
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