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  1. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    As an independent, I really don't care all that much who gets elected. I wish for them the very best.

    My #1 concern is for our country.

    We live in a country where rules are made by majority rule. However, a series of checks and balances have been set up to ensure the minority retain some authority for the sake of all citizens. This keeps the majority rule from asserting too much power and harming too many citizens. Although contentious at times to the detriment of the citizens, our system of checks & balances works.

    If I have one single concern for the future prosperity that this country will forever remain "of the people, by the people and for the people", it will be so only if the minority party retains cloture in the US Senate. Since special interest groups generally run both political parties, to allow one set of those special interest groups have years of unchecked power would be the single most ruinous thing ever to happen since the civil war and may very well end our style of democracy.

    And for that, we all become losers.
     
  2. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Periods of excess are generally met with an opposite reaction in subsequent elections. I think we could be in for a very interesting 2-8 years, but I have great faith in the common sense of the American people. I believe this is still a center-right country who is moving left just because the current group that represents the right has just been so inept. It's a vote for change for change's sake.
     
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    CelticKing The Green Monster

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    That's the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. "Independents" don't care who gets elected??? Since when?

    I would hope that all voters, regardless of their party affiliation, would "care" who becomes president of this country, and vote accordingly.
     
  5. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    I believe you're right.

    Also, I'd love to see a comparison between the number of 18-21's who voted in this election vs. those of that same age group from past elections.
     
  6. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    How many of you who are upset about the potential Democratic monopoly, were equally upset about the Republican monopoly that they had since 2001, until 2006?
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    My biggest hope is for honesty and integrity. Might I reasonably expect to get that from either party??
     
  8. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Sadly, no.
     
  9. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    OK, poor wording by me. I do "care", but don't see it as life & death.

    Feel better?
     
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    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    Not me.

    I'll leave the sheep to be upset.
     
  11. BLAZER PROPHET

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    Just so long as we maintain our checks & balances, this will be so.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I like divided government. I thought having a monopoly on power was the worst thing that happened to the GOP--it allowed all their excesses to go unchecked. But given that monopoly, the Republicans never had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. That allowed the Democrats to at least stop the most far-reaching bills from being voted on.

    And if I were a left-leaning Democrat (and these days are there any centrist Dems left?), I'd be worried about history. A Democrat monopoly under Carter and Clinton led to huge Republican victories in the subsequent elections. And Carter from 77-79 had a filibuster-proof Senate working with him, years that proved to be his most disasterous.
     
  13. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    That's how I felt. Although not the sheep comment.

    As for the current potential scenario, where Democrats gain 60 seats in the Senate, I don't think that they're all in "lock step" with each other, and won't ever be able to take advantage of the "60 majority" thing. And eve if they have 60-40 lead, I doubt you'd find 60 democrats (or Republicans) that would agree with the same thing. Much less the President taking advantage of it (although, truth be told, Bush did).

    That and I don't think they'll gain the seats needed to obtain the potential 60/40 split. There are too many things that have to fall in place for them to obtain that majority. It might be a 57-43 split.
     
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    All we can say is that we didn't get honesty and integrity for the past eight years.
     
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    There has never been a time in recent history when Democrats were more in lockstep. Conservative Democrats have been driven from the party. Anyone who deviates from 100% adherence to Democratic dogma aren't funded in their primaries. There are no more Sam Nunn's or even Al Gore's or Joe Lieberman's.
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Sometimes I wonder if we are becoming a de-facto parliamentary system. Give the government to one party, get outraged, throw the bums out, then give it to the other party.

    Maybe that's what happens when things become hyper-partisan and there's a shrunken middle ground.

    The ever-growing large pockets of extremists always vote for their extreme, and the small pocket of people in the middle vote for revenge.
     
  17. BLAZER PROPHET

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    That's why I'd like to see a viable third party.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    That doesn't make much sense. Having a single party in power, with a filibuster proof senate, has already happened since the civil war, so how could it happening again be the single most ruinous thing since the civil war?

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  19. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    Really doesn't need a response aside from what I said, so I'll say it again...

    This country is now run via special interests (religious groups, unions, plaintiff attorneys...). If one side gets absolute power over the other, democracy is perverted and destroyed.
     
  20. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Is "now" run? It has been run by special interest groups for about 30 years now.
     

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