Official Election 2008 Thread

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  1. Minstrel

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    Well, the #1 reason cited by people who switched from McCain to Obama was McCain's selection of Palin for VP.
     
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    Even if they stated it, I think they feel more comfortable with socialism.
     
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    In exit polls. CNN reported it during their election coverage.
     
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    Interesting. I wonder if having Mitt Romney would have solidified their vote in McCain. I doubt it.
     
  5. Денг Гордон

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    Wow. On Fox News, I think it was Wallace, they flashed a sign that said "Why wait, evict Bush now" and he said, "I bet that's a minority there."

    Fox smartly cut to commercial after the moron said that.
     
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    How about local races and ballot measures? Question for the other people in Oregon, what happens if both measure 57 and measure 61 pass?
     
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    Well, rumor is that 57 takes precedence over 61. I don't know for a fact that that is true, however.

    barfo
     
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    Proposition 8 is currently leading in California. It's times like this when my disgust for organized religion knows no bounds.
     
  9. Денг Гордон

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    MSNBC is projecting Barack obama the winner of Indiana.

    Barack Obama 349 John McCain 159
     
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    That number you quote by definition is factored into the exit poll question I heard tonight. And according to that question, John McCain would have lost by a larger margin with a generic VP that mirred his policies rather than Sarah Palin. Whether or not Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, Tim Pawlenty, Bobby Jindal, Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman would have propelled him to victory we'll never know.

    My guess is there was virtually no way for a Republican to win the Presidency this go 'round.
     
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    Government should get out of the marriage business. It's just another business better handled by the private sector.
     
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    I am going to project Barack Obama as the winner in North Carolina. 100% of precints are reporting, so I'm not sure why this one isn't called yet.

    Barack Obama 364 John McCain 159

    Down to Missouri and Montana.

    McCain leading by 8,568 in Montana and 398 votes in Missouri.

    It could actually come down to my vote in Missouri.
     
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    http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/11/measures.html

    It looks like both 57 and 61 passed. Wow, I got my ass kicked tonight on almost every voting issue.
     
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    If two ballot measures with conflicting language pass the measure with more yes votes takes effect.

    So yes 57 will trump 61 as it has more yes votes.
     
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    It's factored in, but the "extra information" isn't useful. There's disliking Palin and there's disliking her enough to jump ship. There's liking Palin and there's liking Palin enough to vote for McCain due to her. The 15% number I quote is a huge chunk of his support he actually lost. The part of his base that likes her, we have no idea how many of them, if any, would have failed to vote for him had he selected a "generic VP."

    My guess is that not many of his supporters chose him because of Palin. Your number doesn't address that. It only says that a significant number of them like her and felt she was an asset. They may or may not have liked someone else. They may or may not have voted for him anyway. We don't know. We do know he lost a significant number of voters due to her. Whether he gained back as many, or more, voters thanks to that pick is guesswork. My guess, due to how awful her favourability polls were over the last month or so, is that he didn't.
     
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    Well, due to tax issues and all, I'm not sure they can. They should definitely leave religion to the private sector and leave it out of the marriage issue.
     
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    A gracious speech by McCain, and a gracious response from Obama. Now their followers need to get the message.
     
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    fuck them both!!!!
     
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    And the part your number doesn't factor in are the people who were going to stay home rather than vote for McCain. It looks like once again, we're going to agree to disagree.
     

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