I think it would probably be more convenient to tell people to "walk it off", and just call it marriage. But I did feel people were singling out Xericx to an extent in the other thread. His point was that he also cares about the meaning of the word and wanted it to be left up for a vote. It is a religious term in his opinion.
You can't hold non-believers subject to the rules and customs of your particular religion. If a particular church wants to excommunicate gays who marry, they can knock themselves out. But to prevent ordinary people who are not members of your church, and don't share your beliefs, from enjoying a right just because you think it isn't right is just the height of arrogance.
Oh sorry I missed this part. Well Xericx would later support a federal mandate giving civil unions equal rights. So it is purely a case of semantics.
I know, I got my pronouns tangled and I'm too sleepy to try to untangle them. I apologize for any confusions.
If people wanna get married through the church they'll have to play by the church's rules then. Otherwise, civil unions is the way to go. What the government needs to do is to ensure that civil unions and marriages have the same rights. If you try to force the church to change its beliefs towards gay marriage, then how is that case an example of the separation of religion and government?
Unitarian Universalist churches will have gay marriages, so yes, there will be marriages across all orientations. The problem is that what just happened with this Prop 8 is the government stepped in and said that's not allowed, and that's what's bullshit.
The govt. didn't step in, the idiots who are my fellow Californians used the ballot initiative procedure to amend the state constitution to tie the govt's hands.
If "marriage" is a church's term, then it should not appear in the State Constitution and all Unions should be called "Civil Unions". However, the word "marriage" is in the state constitution and therefore should have nothing to do with a church's beliefs. As it is now, this is just a blanket case of discrimination. Everyone who supported Prop 8 basically believes in the tenant of "seperate but equal." We all know that that is just wrong. I am ashamed of my fellow Californians Furthermore, I heard ( I havent seen any official report) that African American voters, on the majority, supported prop 8, which I find appalling and hypocritical.
Yeah about the African-American voters, I don't agree with them at all. I think that gay couples should be allowed to marry and I do not support this prop, but just to add. I think that the African-American voters voted in support of the prop because alot of African-Americans are religious, and might have stuck to THEIR beliefs (not mine ) when it came to their decision. It's a sad thing that this prop passed.
