http://www.katu.com/news/34377814.html BOO HOO! The guy's been here illegally for 10 years and probably didnt pay a dime in taxes. Boot his ass out of here! 10 years was plenty of time for him to become a legal citizen and contribute like the rest of us. Who's gonna support his family? Probably our tax $$$. Pisses me off!
It's not a popular point of view, but I am in favor of denying citizenship to children of illegal aliens who were born on US Soil.
Deport, or better yet imprison and then deport, anyone who comes here illegally or is born here to someone who is here illegally. Otherwise our laws are meaningless and we deserve no respect from the world.
Some of these pople are simply seeking a decent way of life for their families. For those, I'm not infavor of inprisonment and not necessarily in favor of deportation if something else could be worked out.
Tell me about your roots. Do you know from what part of the world your family is? Do you know if they went to the USA illegally and later got things regularized? Should the USA deport every citzen whose family came illegally to the country?
its a tough issue, but if illegals are trying to get citizenship and pay taxes, i am all for it. people moving here and getting welfare? not so much.
I agree with many of the post above. I agree that people here illegally, especially after being here long enough to go through the proper channels and become legal, should be deported. I also believe though that the standard routes to becoming a citizen, should exist. To the person up above who said that kids born here shouldn't automatically become citizens, remember that part of the beacon america has become, is that if people get here, they have a better hope. Many people who are not bad people, risk their lives to get here so that their children can live better. We do not want to become the United States that alienates everybody and turns people away in their time of need. But what we do need to do is to start dealing with this in a responsible way, and in a way that is not hypocritical. One example I would bring up, is medical treatment. Many people say we should deny aliens medical treatment, because they can't or won't pay. Yet we have insurance companies here in the states, that pay for americans to go over to other countries and take advantage of their socialistic medical systems, or a "medical vacation" if you will. They go over to other countries, get free health care while they are there, and don't pay for anything but the trip over. All so the insurance company can save a few bucks. Who pays for it he medical treatment? The other country (like India) is stuck with the bill. Hypocritical practice. We don't all do it, but there are those who do. The same can be said of the aliens that come here. Some are bad folks. Many are not. So don't treat them all that way.
hasoos, I'm not oppossed to what you're saying, but who should pay for the tens of thousands of illegals for access to healthcare? I'm just curious.
Travis Outlaw/Steve Blake are the scapegoats for the Blazers Illegal immigrants are the scapegoat for the US
Well that is interesting point, but at the same time, you will notice that I didn't say we should do it, I said what we should not be, is hypocritical. In other words, don't practice one thing (denying health care to illegals) and then go and do the exact same thing in another country, and make them foot the bill. So that either means one of two things: Either you get your health care system to align with the way others countries works, which means it is subsidized, or you quit taking advantage of their subsidized systems for your capital gain. So you can say choose your poison. Basically if you go one way, it has to be subsidized. In the other, you deny health care. I don't know about you, but I don't think that people should ever be denied health care, where ever they are, if it is available and they are seeking help. I would never want to be in another country, get hurt, and then have their doctor tell me "Sorry you aren't from here, good luck." Would you?
I would expect to pay for it, just like I would expect to pay for a plane ride home or for a glass of wine. Ed O.
When my son ended up in a Canadian ER for a badly sprained ankle while he was at a music camp, we ended up getting a bill from the hospital even though a Canadian citizen would have had it paid for under their healthcare system. We submitted it to our insurance company and ended up paying our usual co-pay. The problem with most of the undocumented workers in this country is that they have no health insurance, are typically low income, and are from countries that don't have a national healthcare plan that can be billed for medical expenses incurred while living in this country. As a result, when these folks show up at an ER, it's my understanding that they are treated and that the costs are covered in the higher prices that we all pay for medical services. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I do recognize that there is a large problem when the number of such people living here is in excess of 12 million.
The difference there is a plane ride home or a glass of wine are likely not a matter of one's health or life or death. If one does not have the money to pay the medical bills, should they be denied neccessary medical care? I say no, illegal or not.
It's good to hear Canada has a treat first bill later type of policy (hope your son is alright). Imagine how frustrated you would have been as a parent if the hospital made you jump through a lot of hoops to prove insurance coverage before treatment. There is a problem in the US with health costs in general . . . and the illegal immigrant situation doesn't make it any better, but I hope this counrty doesn't go to a pay before treat kind of policy.
I know for a fact that with the exception of one quarter of my family (who came here in the late 1500s), everyone else took the legal route. It's not like we don't have legal immigration. These people simply decided to cut the line. They shouldn't be rewarded for it and our country is a poorer place for allowing an underground economy that serves to enslave those very illegal aliens. If that guy wants to be with his family, I'm sure they would enjoy the warmer climate south of the Rio Grande.
