So are we trading with Charlotte?

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  1. Netted

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    As much as a prefer Nocioni to Wallace I wouldn't be upset if got him.
     
  2. killa kadafi191

    killa kadafi191 A Realist

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    Adam Morrison is still in the NBA???????
     
  3. Netted

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    He's actually starting to round into shape a little. Prior to a bad game against Dallas Tuesday he averaged 15 ppg on 51.7% shooting including 41% from 3 in 24 mpg over the prior 3 games. He also had over 2.5 TO's per game and didn't rebound well or get many assists.

    I have no idea what to make of him because that injury did set him back.
     
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    killa kadafi191 A Realist

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    i love Jordan as a player but behind the scenes he's the Kwame Brown of GM's Owners or whatever
     
  5. Netted

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    Wallace and May for Williams, Swift and Hassell works.

    So does Morrison and May for Williams, Ager and Hassell.

    Thorn's always had a thing for May and he is seriously on the outs in Charlotte.
     
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    The other team I could see Charlotte trading with is OKC with Charlotte getting Wilcox and Watson and OKC getting Felton, Carroll and filler.

    Makes sense for both teams as OKC could use the shooter and starting PG. Brown would get a vet PG to teach Augustine the ropes and a big in Wilcox to give Okafor some breathing room.
     
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    long time reader first time poster...

    The idea of Wallace coming to the NETs definitely is intriguing, a combo of Harris, VC and "G-wall" would help spread the floor but is it beneficial? i think so despite that it will "hurt" the Lebron sweepstakes in 2010. (off the bat i am not a fan of his, but thats my opinion)

    While we can use some scoring at the 3, after the cavs game, i see that we need a more quicker and defensive stopper at the 3 to prevent someone like a LBJ or a PP from having games like that... Wallace does provide the speed and D as well as he can create his own shot(i personally wanted Batum from Portland but i doubt that would happen)... so getting Wallace here sounds like a good plan but how?

    a Simmons, Swift and GS 1st for Wallace and May to make salaries work? i would also throw in Ajinca but that's my personal preference...
     
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    Simmons and Swift is too much salary. Wallace and May combine for about $11mm. Swift, Hassell and Williams combine for $11.8mm. And Simmons and Williams combine for $11.2. I think those would be the two most likely scenarios.
     
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    i think the Nets believe they can be a good team NOW. And they realize their glaring weakness is that small forward position where we get dominated almost every game, and to be honest im not so sure i disagree if that's their line of thinking. With the way Brook is developing, a lineup of harris,Carter, Wallace, Yi, and Lopez could win alot of games. Granted Yi still needs major improvement but thats not a bad lineup. Dolling, Hayes, Anderson, Boone, CDR off the bench.

    However this would kill our shot at a pretty damn good player in this years draft, Blake Griffin who's going to be a monster, and Derozan who to me is the next VC. (and we'r gonna need to have someone who can be "The Guy" in the next 2 seasons.)
     
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    If you think about it, you know you can count on about 40 ppg from Carter and Harris combined. If you can get 15 ppg from Wallace and 20 combined from Yi and Lopez up front then you have 75 points from your starting line-up on most nights. Getting another 25 ppg on any night from a bench of Dooling, Hayes, Boone, Anderson, Najera and Simmons should be doable.

    Now the key is improved defense and Wallace is an improvement over Simmons.
     
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    i guess the numbers wouldn't match then.... but other than Simmons and a GS 1st for Wallace straight up i dont know what other players the NETS would want back. i know the bobcats would love to have our young guns but they are untouchable at this stage IMO..... either way i dont see them parting with Wallace if they get simmons back in return unless we can find a 3rd team to make the trade work.
     
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    Wait, now we want to trade Simmons and a young prospect for a not-quite-an-all-star scoring small forward? Oh, the irony...
     
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    Here's my dream trade scenario: Trade Machine

    Helps all three teams.
    NJ gets Wallace and Wilkins who can help solidify the SF spot and are good defenders.
    Charlotte gets a veteran PG in Watson to play with Augustine and teach him the ropes and a big in Wilcox that can take pressure off Okafor and get out of Wallace's long term deal.
    OKC gets out of the Wilkins and Watson deals and get a starting PG in Felton, a big man prospect in Williams, a shooter in Carroll (that they desperately need) and an expiring in Swift. They save $3.9mm next season.
     
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    Uh wake up people... trading for Wallace goes exactly against the current strategy of the Nets. There is 0% chance we trade for Wallace.

    Most likely the talks revolve around Morrison. His contract is exactly what fits with the plan.
     
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    I don't think we are putting all our eggs in winning the Lebron sweepstakes and I think management is probably re-assesing exactly what they need by the day. I think they realize they have some real talent on this team and if they can steal some additional talent on the cheap (like they did Carter) then they'll do it and deal with the consequences later because future trades can always be made.
     
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    I agree . . . the question is, what is "cheap." Simmons is the weak link, and Sean doesn't fit in with what the team is trying to accomplish, so a Simmons+Sean for Wallace would seem to be a no-brainer to me. How much more to go above that is the question.
     
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    1) Trading for a player that traditionally plays SF does not affect the Lebron sweepstakes because Lebron is a player that I would feel confident lining up at any position on the floor. He's a player. Just throw him out on the court and let him do his thing. Wallace even played some PF, there's a lot of versatility there so don't worry about getting locked in to set positions.

    2) Why why why would Thorn want Sean May? Thorn is a guy who runs at the first sign of a knee injury and May has missed so many games due to injury that you could arguably still call him a rookie ;)

    I don't mind trading for Morrison. Jarvis Hayes is a great player at SF or SG, I think all this would mean is that we end any speculation that Ryan learns to play some 3, and instead gets cemented into a PF.
     
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    reganomics813 Get ready for typos!

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    The few problems I have with bringing in Gerald would be that his maximum on court value is at the 4 spot and that the reckless abandon he plays with could feasably cut his time with us short in the duration of his contract. I love watching him for the Bobcats but I truly feel he is a sell high type of player at this moment because at any minute he could sustain another injury becuase that's the only way he can play and get the results he does. Granted, we do have an amazing training staff that could render that most of that moot but another concussion at this point could be very well career ending and is something to consider especially with the size of his contract running into one of the best free agent classes in recent memory.

    There is no question that he has improved his shooting immensely but the rest of his game he is at his ceiling. If he can sustain the high level of play he has so far, that is excellent but I do not see him getting better in his time here and the wear on his body could only hinder his effectiveness that much more.

    He's is a very capable 3 man because of his athleticism but a fair amount of his production is from the mismatches he has against bigger opponents with positioning and activity, much like way Najera does. Surely he can guard 3's better than Simmons but he is not a shut down defender even though he racks up a number of blocks and steals as he is a bit of a gambler. I do love the idea if we shift our shceme to get him in the paint and allow Yi, Anderson, and Brook the chance to draw their man away from the lane with their jumpshots though, that would be a very beneficial thing to have. If we utilize him at the 3 in the same way we do Simmons then we will be wasting his potential in helping our team.
     
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    Yeah, the question is how do we want to build the starting lineup with Harris and Carter? Who would be the ideal SF, PF and C for this team.

    They need a defensive stopper at the 3 who can slow down the star swingmen in the league like Lebron, Wade, Joe Johnson. In the front court the Nets would need at least one defensive, rebounding presence who hopefully isn't a complete offensive liability. I think it would be ideal if Harris were the 3rd primary scorer which would mean having a PF who is the 2nd or 1st primary scorer for the team.

    Starting lineup:

    Harris (third primary scorer, playmaker)
    Carter (first or second primary scorer, playmaker)
    SF (defender, rebounder, hopefully a good spot shooter)
    PF(the first or second primary scorer, can rebound, and defend adequately)
    C(strong defender, rebounder, not offensive liability)

    Any other blueprint for a starting lineup?
     
  20. Netted

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    At worst May is an expiring deal. He takes Swat's seat on the bench and gets some spot minutes at C/PF.
     

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