Wade / James

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  1. JMay

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (myst @ Feb 22 2006, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's true, but to remind you, Wade was a PG his rookie year, plays SG, and is SF when Payton and Williams are on the floor.</div>Granted, Wade CAN obviously play the 3 because of his talent and athleticism. His 6'4 body isn't made to play the SF in the long run. He can't be forced into matchups with guys like Deng, Marvin Williams, Rashard Lewis, etc. because at the 3, he lacks much needed size with all these big swingmen these days.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Feb 22 2006, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you jsut say Tmac had that fire? He is maybe the one top 10 Player in the league who DOES NOT have that fire, or so it seems. Can't tell with that face [​IMG]</div>T-Mac has the fire. Yes, he always looks sleepy, but many players and analysts compare him to other players of that simialr nature. Bottom line is the guy wants to win and wants the ball in the clutch and when his team is down. Look at last years playoffs vs the Mavs for proof.I agree Bron doesn't have the fire yet, but unlike what many say, I feel that is an attribute you get. If you watch Cavs games, you will see the difference in his attitude to when he was a rook. Many years of losing makes you perform in the clutch and makes you want it more. MJ didn't really have that fire until he was losing to the Pistons every year in the playoffs. As I said before, depends on what you prefer in a player. Wade right now is more proven, plays better D, and is better in the clutch. Bron is a better passer, long range shooter, rebounder, and steal guy.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Feb 22 2006, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you jsut say Tmac had that fire? He is maybe the one top 10 Player in the league who DOES NOT have that fire, or so it seems. Can't tell with that face [​IMG]</div>Tmac actually does have fire. Just because he looks sleepy during games does not mean that it transfers into the game. TMac is deadly from long frange with the game on the line. He did it to the Spurs last year. He wants the ball in those situations and more then not he succeeds. He gets fired up when the game is on the line and isnt afaid to lock someone down defensively or take big shots.If Lebron makes it far in the playoffs by himself this year this debate is dead.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Feb 24 2006, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tmac actually does have fire. Just because he looks sleepy during games does not mean that it transfers into the game. TMac is deadly from long frange with the game on the line. He did it to the Spurs last year. He wants the ball in those situations and more then not he succeeds. He gets fired up when the game is on the line and isnt afaid to lock someone down defensively or take big shots.If Lebron makes it far in the playoffs by himself this year this debate is dead.</div>Absolutely false. Tmac healthy is better than lebron.
     
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    Between Wade and LeBron, right now I take LeBron. LeBron has a superior jumpshot, better court vision, rebounds the ball better and might actually be a better athlete. No he does not score late in the game like Wade, but then again, he takes better care of the ball throughout the game. Let's not compare team success, because Wade has had Shaq, whereas LeBron has had no one until this year. This comparison will be fun once the year is done, with LeBron finally having a good team
     
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    ^I would normally agree with you, but Wade brought his team to 2nd round of playoffs 2 years back. And surprise! He did it with Odom, who Lakers fans unfairly crucify.Also, wade has better jumpshot. His midrange J is deadly. Bron has better range, but Wade is automatic from 15ft out. And again, Bron is a more efficient scorer than Kobe, bette rpasser, and better rebounder, but everyone says Kobe is better. Wade/T-Mac/AI/Kobe all are better than Bron for the same reasons, they are clutch, better defenders, and more proven.
     
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    Wade is overrated as heck from 15ft. In the numerous games I've seen of him, the guy only uses the jumper occasionally, and everyone praises him as automatic. Wade is still always in attack, attack, attack mode, which makes him shoot less jumpers and turn the ball over more. Yea he can hit the 15 footer, but it isn't as efficient as most people say. And better defender? I don't see where we draw that conclusion.
     
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    He is not overrated from 15ft. Yes, he is attack first, and that makes him a more efficient scorer (not moreso than Bron, but I mean in general). Wade is very tough to stop, as his driving skills open up the 15ft jumpshot. I am too lazy to look up the stats, but I believe they both have around same TO numbers.Wade is a better defender as he is more tenacious, doesn't slack, and better shot blocker.
     
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    And surprise! He did it with Odom, who Lakers fans unfairly crucify.Odom was the leader of that miami team. He's obviously going to play better as the first option.
     
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    By the end of the season, he was no longer the first option. And my point was that he can be a very good player and scorer if put in the right position, yet Lakers fans still criticize him.
     
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    It's all in the mentality, he has all the tools.
     
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    Are you kidding me?Don't get me wrong Wade is one great player but he is not ner James!Last Season were was the Wade or James talk? NO WERE! The only reason this is even trougt of is because of the dang ring he has but look at his team way better then the cavs, James is better in stats and only plays what 2-3 more min? Thats also because wades team is better James is better you can't let a ring stand in the way for being a "better" player. If u put wade on the cavs next season and james on the heat cavs would of not been in the playoffs and heat would probley not lost any games!James>Wade
     
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    Lebron hands down... On my block this talk comes up alot.. Wade vs lebron.... Wade is a great player but not as great as LeBron. IMO LeBron is the best allaround player in the NBA. LeBron is 6,8 and has the speed of wade or faster.. LeBron better at rebounding passing scoring... Hes a better playmaker.........This comes up alot to.... Just think what lebron would of done with Shaq
     
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    I pick Lebron easy, this guy is better than wade.Wade is more clutch right now but Lebron will get there I'm pretty sure about that.I believe we haven't seen Lebron's full potential yet. He can still develop a post move which will put him to another level.............don't get me wrong wade is a great player too. Imagine trying to stop a player who can post you up or penetrate to the basket.Biggest advantage that Lebron has is his passing ability, it's so hard to stop a player who can score at will and who can pass the ball............lebron's passing is instinct and cannot be taught.
     
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    Lebron.He is a better player. Hes a pass first play too. Cavs would be dead right now because Bron is carrying them to the playoffs. They were one game away from beating the team with the best record last season the Pistons. Wade needed Shaq but look at his supporting cast. Walker,J will,Posey off the bench,Haslem and 2 expirenced players Payton,Mourning. Now with Shaq declining and retires soon we will see who is the better at that time ring is nothing and should never get into a debate Its like Horry is better than Bron because he has more rings.
     
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    Ugh, I have to join in although I went through a total war with His Greatness a month or so ago.Wade. Easy to me. Better winner, far better clutch player, better defender (half the game), and better scorer. We all know he is better winner, better clutch player, and better defender, but people always question the scoring. At 6'4'' he scored 27PPG on 50% shooting....that is absolutely amazing, but what makes him a better scorer than Bron is that he has a reliable midrange game to his driving ability. LeBron is a good shooter, and better 3pt shooter, but when teams are taking away his driving ability, he has trouble consistently scoring from anywhere else. All the other stats are a bit decieving. Wade has more APG, but we know he has better teammates, and Bron has better court vision, so bron is IMO the better playmaker. Wade grabs 6RPG, and for his size, that is just as impressive as Bron grabbing 7RPG as he is 4-5 inches taller, 20-30lbs heavier. So to me, rebounding they cancel each other out.But to me, what makes a top player is a mixture of talent, stats and intangibles. There are no intangibles greater than winning and clutch play, and Wade is far ahead of bron in each category. He had one of the greatest Finals of all time, and has been doing the clutch thing since the NCAA torunament in 2003. To me he is better scorer and defender (again, 50% of the game), and rebounding and playmaking are fairly close to where they don't make much of a difference.Wade.
     
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    Why does everybody always call one player a winner? it's bullsh**. The only individual winner in NBA history was Bill Russell. Everybody else needs a halfway decent team to even start winning.Anyway, LBJ is a better player. He's just better. Wade was cool before he became the second most overrated sportsman on the planet. Give LBJ those teammates and he'll have a ring too. Some players have it better than others, that doesn't make them better.
     
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    That goes along with clutch play, carrying your team and performing above standards when your team needs you, being team player, and basically rising to occasion. Wade has done that his whole career, while Bron hasn't done it until this year (and even in Pistons series his stats were considerably lower than season stats, despite his supporting casts low production, and of course if that one travel was called in game 3 Nobody would be calling him a clutch player like they do).And again, looking beyond that take a look at their actual games. You can argue rebounds and passing, and scoring too, but defense Wade is definately better. So actual talent and skill can definately be argued, but the bigges tthing for me is the intangible, in which Wade clearly wins.
     
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    How the hell is Wade a better scorer..
     
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    Has a reliable 2nd option to his driving, Bron doesn't. Shoots ball at higher percentage, and doesn't take some of those fadeaway 30ftr's Bron sometimes takes. He is a bit more disciplined shooting the ball and knowing when to attack and when to cut loose a bit. And I don't expect you to agree since you have a TOTALLY different perception of what makes a better scorer.
     

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