<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Sep 30 2006, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>melo-They play different positions, Bron is not guarded by a player like Hinirch like Wade is. The Pistons and Ron thing just show that Bron has trouble when he is forced to take jumpshots moreso than driving, and the stats prove that. Wade doesn't have that type of vulnerability in his game in the sense that when he is forced to take jumpshots he struggles heavily. The Bulls give Wade problems because they are athletic and tough enough to stop driving while getting hand in his face on jumpshots, not because one part of his game isn't up to par with the other parts of his game. Bron has that same weakness that Wade does, that they don't have the jumpshots to beat teams when they are closely guarded away from basket like a player like Kobe or T-Mac can (although Wade didn't play that badly all around in the Bulls series). But against Pistons when Bron wasn't air-tght covered from outside, Bron was very poor from line, very poor from midrange, and forced up bad shots when he could have gotten easier shots from a few feet closer without the fadeaway. Wade proved he can score when forced to take jumpers, and proved not just in that one series alone that he can get it done from midrange if driving ability is taken away.</div>I know there not guarded by the same player. What I'm trying to say is that some players play better against certain teams. The bulls give wade a problem because his jumpshot is not there. Ray allen shoots 47% against the bulls. I did not watch the game but I'm assuming they couldn't guard ray like they did wade because he has a legit jumpshot.What do you consider a midrange or jumpshot? I'm so used to kobe taking 19,20 footers that I see that as being midrange jumpers. 12-16 are short range jumpers and it's effeciency is higher than the long jumpers lebron took against the pistons.
19,20 are long jumpers, almost 3's. I'd say 14-18 foot jumpers are mid range and Lebron has him beat there by a few percent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (His Greatness @ Sep 29 2006, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh my god man..if you're going to keep encinuating the same verbatim with total neglection to my debate than I'm not even going to do this with you, Nitro...despite you saying you "comprehend it"...it seems as if you don't.To start off - where is it applied that LeBron is somehow even a significant three shooter? Its not. But this is a <u>one-on-one</u> comparison, and when someone who can hit the three and does it on a perpetual basis (once again, you don't need to be a Korver to have an huge edge on someone)..than he stilll has that huge advantage. Wade sucks at three shooting and barely does it...Bron? Nah. But he doesn't use it? Oh come one..you don't watch every Cavs game and neither do I..but you don't have his tendencies recorded..but hey, look for yourself11/5- Against the Grizzlies who I think you can call a solid defensive team (1st in the L last year I believe)...10 PTs from driving/inside...but what did he do when he was getting put at 45% at that area? Hits the threes on 4/9...the 9 other PTs gained from the midrange..finishes the day with 36 PTs, 48%...solid..against Shane. 11/26- Against another beast defense in the Timberwolves (8th)...36% in the inside/driving with 8 PTs...what does he do? goes 54% on the threes with 6 of them..finishes the day with 38..and that's with Larry and Zydrunas going 18%, 12 PTs. and 20%, 9 PTs...1/5- Against the Rockets who are ranked 4th...4 points from the inside/driving....16 entirely from the midrange...three 3's..finishes the day on 68% and 32 PTs..1/21- Against the Jazz and AK47 (one of the best defenders in the league guarding him)...blows up for 51 PTs, 16 from the inside/drive...9 from the freethrows....the rest are outside and mirange shots. (......bleh, screw the rest of the season, I'll add more later) BUT...its all a trend...that he doesn't do a certain thing against good defensive teams and players..right? Read down your argument and look at the glaring flaws - all the "he can't do this or do that" are strictly tendencies that YOU think..not making it "facts"..you can't prove it, you haven't and all the while now you've just said it...when in fact James takes MUCH more outside shots than Dwyane AND 'turns the ball over' less, good defensive teams or not, its any given day.</div>I never said he doesn't shoot it, but he isn't a significant enough 3pt shooter to give him a huge advantage to a guy who barely shoots it yet shoots 2% better from floor, takes 5 less shots per game and still scores only 4PPG less.Pretty hypocritical of you to use individual games, especially since you keep blasting me about that. And Bron shot 14-34 vs the Rockets in March, he scored only 16pts vs the grizz in that same month, and 11-34 against Timberwolves in February. Against those same teams, Wade averaged 24PPG on 50% shooting vs grizz, 27PPG on 47% shooting vs Wolves, 28PPG on 58% shooting against Jazz, and 29PPG on 44% shooting vs Rockets, so please don't give me this individual game crap against teams that each play only 2x per year to teams like the pacers where Bron averaged 22PPG on 36% shooting, the Pistons where he averaged 25PPG on 45% shooting, or Orlando where he averaged 21PPG on 41% shooting. Then you look at wade vs those teams...27PPG on 45% shooting vs Indiana, 28PPG on 51% shooting vs detroit, and 31PPG on 51% shooting against orlando. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Uh...how...in..the..world..is..he..going..to..have..any..shot..he..wants..when the defense is smothering him AND HIS TEAM??? Are you like ignoring the basic decrees of how the game works, or something? When you're team is not creating anything, there is no chemistry resulting in terrible performance overall. It was not his fault. And aren't 20 footers CONSIDERED mid-range?And here's some more to discredit more of your allegations...Bron shot 70% overall from inside and driving in that Pistons series..and those midranges he was pretty much smothered...one player can only do so much and you can't keep forcing the same driving against a Detroit defense..Bron put up a reasonable amount of J's and got smothered...putting Nitro even at a more unreliable state.</div>DON'T GIVE ME THAT CRAP!!! When your team is struggling you should still get your points, Wade and Kobe proved that in the playoffs! I consider 12-18ft as midrange, 20ft is too far for bron when he is taking fadeaways from 20ft out.He wasn't being smothered from 15ft and out, don't give me that crap. he was played straigh tup by prince and was played loosely. In the 7 game series they let up 8 less shots from in close than against a 6 game Washington series. In other words, they prevented him, Prince and interior D, to get as many attempts so close. They did same to wade....guess what? Wade beat them with midrange game, Bron couldn't.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't say anything about a breakout, I said a blow-up..like he did in the playoffs...and using the Pistons as the standard comparison is ridiculous, too..newsflash, THEY'RE ONE TEAM. And again, ONE DEFENSE, or two defenses OR THE WHOLE LEAGUE..it doesn't matter, 31 PPG is 31 PPG and 27 is 27 no matter how much you take away from it..some players do better against some and others do better against others...its any given day man...and you know what else to add on to it? Bron's Cavs played a harder schedule than the Heat and James STILL scored more.</div>Exactly, it is any given day, but watch the damn games to see what teams Bron falters against. Good interior D's that force him to take jumpers. he may have a good shooting game, like he did against Pistons in playoffs or his amazing 3pt performance vs Wizards, but consistently he won't beat you like Wade will.I'll reply to rest later, I am on a library computer because I am at mom's and it is closing in 5min, so I'll be back...
Wow..I might as well just copy and paste my reply because you ignored basically everything and don't comprehend it. I'll just wait for the rest of your reply
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Feb 15 2006, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd say it is very close, but Bron gets the nod for me. Wade has always had the gift of playing with a much better supporting cast than Bron, and his stats aren't quite on par with Bron. Bron also is a more versatile player offensively. defensively, Wade is better, although he is not anything to brag about and put on all defensive team.I actually might say this is tied, as Wade is incredibly clutch and has carried the Heat in a way Bron has not. But unlike the Kobe/T-Mac topics, Bron is a better scorer, passer, rebounder and pure speciment than Wade. I really don't know, very close....</div>Nitro I don't get it that is what you said before, why change your mind all of a sudden ???
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lakersfoelyfe @ Sep 30 2006, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nitro I don't get it that is what you said before, why change your mind all of a sudden ???</div>LMAO YOU ARE THE MAN...You've got 'splanin to do Nitro!
He will respond with:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It has been up and down with me all year. In beginning of April, before playoffs, I switched back to Wade. I am sure I will switch between Bron and Wade next year again, because this debate is a very, VERY close one, and I can make an arguement for each side and debate it to the death like I am here.</div>
Yep. Basically it is a back and forth debate. I was pro-Bron before last season (on NBAWire I even said the debate was ridiculous and Bron was on a whole 'nother level), then by April, when I got to see both in person, got to see what Wade improved on and did during season, really looked back on Wade's career and his accomplishments, I went to the Wade side. The playoffs and an eventual Finals MVP/ring, and finally seeing Bron's weakness made me fully believe Wade is the better player. But as I said, it is an extremely close debate, and I could easily debate the Bron side if need be. I could say things along the lines of....Bron is a more versatile scorer as he can score from outside of the 3pt line and it is extremely rare you will get a defensive team/player that can hold Bron to under 26PPG, he has better court vision than Wade, better rebounder, and has shown he can carry a team with the 2nd best player injured for half the season, and not very good role players to a 50 win season, only a few back of Miami, where Wade had a much better supporting cast.But I don't....why? Because I honestly feel Wade is the better player, despite the masses disagreeing with me. I like his ability as a scorer better, despite not being a better jump shooter. I like the fact that while he doesn't need to carry his team in season like Bron, he does it all in playoffs and does it better than anyone else in the league (AI is next closest thing you will find). He is arguably the best 6'4'' and under rebounder in league, and while I personally feel Bron is better passer I can easily debate with HG that 6.7APG is still 6.7APG, and it's better than 6.6APG no matter how it's done (he would be a hypocrite to argue it either as he has shown he doesn't care about %).His Greatness- I will reply to the rest tomorrow, I am on mom's TV computer and can't view multiple windows without totally X;ing out of one page, so I'll reply tomorrow.
Considering I didn't need to open up a page full of stats for these last 2 quotes, I'll reply now...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (His Greatness @ Sep 29 2006, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If using the Pistons as a team for a standard..then HOW DOES THE KOBE-DIRK VS. SUNS ANALOGY NOT WORK??? Its the same god damn logic!!! Now I imagine you're going to come up with some more BS like "No, but look at the other teams Wade played with good defenses!! etc. etc."...Save yourself the time before you do it and press backspace....a season is a season, a team is a team, good defenses or bad defenses, I'm sure you can dig up and find out how Dirk is a better scorer than Kobe because Kobe played worse defenses (or better)...</div>I used the Pistons game in February as just one example of wade blowing up and playing great when team needs him outside of playoffs. You can find other games where he has huge games, individual games don't matter much in season, and in a debate like this where the per game stats are close, they don't matter much either...it is why and how it happens, and what they do when it counts.Again, THE TEAMS THAT BRON STRUGGLES AGAINST MEANS NOTHING. What does matter is WHY he struggles against them. He struggles against them because when his driving is minimized and he doesn't have a RELIABLE, COSISTENT 2nd option to that, despite being loosely guarded. Wade has shown, when he takes only 35 attempts at basket in a series (HALF as many as Bron did vs Pistons), that he can still get his points and at a high %. The only defense that gives Wade trouble is a defense that gets up in his face and athletic enough to stop his driving, along with a great interior D, and same could be said for Bron. That is why I feel neither are the best scorer in the league (and when T-Mac is healthy, not even 2nd best scorer for a swingman either).<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You see this, everyone? You see this? Implying that he'd rather'd have a versatile scorer (it is why) when he's already OPENLY ADMITTED THAN BRON WAS THE MORE VERSATILE SCORER than someone who can get it done..he says Wade has proven that he can show another scoring option (the midrange) as his #1...but LeBron can't....but he's also said that Bron was the better shooter...and then he completely dials out LeBron's three shooting by addressing it with "he's an average shooter at best"...well he shoots 33% which is up to par with every other elite scorer..not to mention its a ONE ON ONE comparison on strictly scoring in which threes are recorded and counted regardless of how "good" or "bad" you are..but, yeah man, I guess you'd take Elgin over Wilt, too...Wilt had ONE way of scoring and that ONE way of scoring was unstoppable...I guess Elgin was a better scorer..because he can do it so many ways. You're zoning out, man...you're shifting into the point where your entire debate is on tendencies and generalizations...all of which you can't prove...which is why I see he opted out of the debate.</div>Again, Bron has more in his arsenal on offense, but when his main option is shut off he struggles quite a bit. Wade has shown when his driving is shut down, that despite not having as much in his arsenal he can stillg et job down at high %. Is bron a better 3pt shooter? Hell yeah, but that means little when he shoots 5 more shots per game than Wade who scores only 4PPG less. Wilt and Elgin? WTF are you smoking? Totally different players and comparison, which is NOTHING like this debate. Wilt shot a better % and scored a ton more points, and no defense was able to stop him, which is NOT the case in this debate. 4PPG is NOT a big advantage when the other player shoots 5 less shots per game! Bro, if you think I am opting out of this debate because I think I've been beaten or can't come up with a good arguement you're crazy. I want to end this because I know both of us can debate this forever due to our different opinions on what makes a better scorer/player. Therefor I do not see the reason to keep debating this, but if you honestly want to, I'm game. And my generalizations and tendencies of the players are backed up by watching the games, looking at the stats which prove my debate, and forming my opinion base don the stats/watching actual games. Bron has trouble when forced to take jumpshots, while Wade hasn't shown that type of vulnerability. I like the fact that Wade is more consistent in using the midrange game as a 2nd option, while Bron doesn't have that go to move/shot as a 2nd option. That is what my arguement is about, and I stick by it.
You're blowing your chances at this debate out of the water with the logic you're representing in this debate. Like for instance:-Saying LeBron is sh*t when he plays entirely great interior defense but then you use Sacremento when in fact their interior defense is ass.Then, when I give examples of shutdown defensive teams...you call me a, "hypocrit"...and then you post the positive side of things - basically, you're blindsided.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Pretty hypocritical of you to use individual games, especially since you keep blasting me about that. And Bron shot 14-34 vs the Rockets in March, he scored only 16pts vs the grizz in that same month, and 11-34 against Timberwolves in February. Against those same teams, Wade averaged 24PPG on 50% shooting vs grizz, 27PPG on 47% shooting vs Wolves, 28PPG on 58% shooting against Jazz, and 29PPG on 44% shooting vs Rockets, so please don't give me this individual game crap against teams that each play only 2x per year to teams like the pacers where Bron averaged 22PPG on 36% shooting, the Pistons where he averaged 25PPG on 45% shooting, or Orlando where he averaged 21PPG on 41% shooting. Then you look at wade vs those teams...27PPG on 45% shooting vs Indiana, 28PPG on 51% shooting vs detroit, and 31PPG on 51% shooting against orlando.</div>Just like that excerpt. How about Wade when he put up 22 going 7/21? How about when he put up 13 going 3/15 against Detroit? Putting up 22 and 11/17 against Sacremento? And you're arguing Dwyane's case against the Wolves/Grizz..why? HE WAS HELD UNDER HIS AVERAGES IN BOTH THOSE GAMES....sh*t, how about Dwyane playing terribly against his OWN hometown team.."consistently"? The only negative you have against LeBron is putting up 16 against the Grizz when he played under 26 minutes and only put up 11 shots...and 14/34 against Houston when he put up 36, well above his average.You know what else? How about Bron having a RIDE in just about EVERY game he plays the best interior defense - Wade's own team!!?? How about Bron averaging 35.5/54% against YOUR team...the 2nd best interior D? How about having a season high against the 3rd best interior D..averaging 38/60%? How about him averaging 32/46% against your OWN hometown team, Alex? ----Wade? He did subpar against ALL those teams for the season..so where's your logic going to now? Shading to my side or your side? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Again, Bron has more in his arsenal on offense, but when his main option is shut off he struggles quite a bit. Wade has shown when his driving is shut down, that despite not having as much in his arsenal he can stillg et job down at high %.</div>Ahh man..I beg you take a look at the best interior D's and look at the games and see how James did...both when AND when he DIDN'T get his drive didn't get "shut down"...its still kind of contradictory for you to say he has more in his arsenal, but yet he "struggles" with his go-to option shut off.Once again..your debate is based upon "what-if" this happens...total situational predicaments..even though it doesn't falter against LeBron, in and OUT of those situational stats, Bron scores more...in OVERALL..Lebron scores more..sh*t, I bet you I could find specific situational occasions in which Dwyane supposedly "struggles" against and make a case against him of about how someone like..say..Joe Johnson is a better scorer and make off with it and say JJ is the better scorer..that's how shallow the logic is - one certain situation or not, in overall, Bron is the better scorer despite in what/how ways he scores it. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Sep 30 2006, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He will respond with:</div> Nail on the head..
[quote name='His Greatness' post='167919' date='Oct 1 2006, 01:21 AM']You're blowing your chances at this debate out of the water with the logic you're representing in this debate. Like for instance:-Saying LeBron is sh*t when he plays entirely great interior defense but then you use Sacremento when in fact their interior defense is ass.Then, when I give examples of shutdown defensive teams...you call me a, "hypocrit"...and then you post the positive side of things - basically, you're blindsided.[/quote]When did I EVER say he was sh*t when he faces ANY defense? I can use the Detroit series all I want, but he did put up 26/8/6 on 44% shooting, which is NOT a bad statline (although his scoring was well below his standards). LeBron is a GREAT scorer, one of the best in the league.I don't know where you see Sacramento in my quote... the only time I ever remember using Sacramento, outside of Ron Artest, was when you brought up Jerome James.Just because those teams are good defensive teams doesn't mean they match up well against Bron. WHO on the Rockets can guard Bron? T-Mac is a good defender, but not great, and definately not good enough to hold him under average without Yao backing him up in paint. Yao was not in the game when bron had his moment against the Rockets. WHO on the T-Wolves can stop Bron from getting into the paint? Wally? Shane Battier is a very good defender, but he is not athletic enough to keep Bron out of paint, and judging from the highlights from the game where Bron has his 36, Shane was not on him a lot. Same can be said for the game against the Jazz where he dropped 51, it looked like Okur was on him most of the time.You're a hypocrite because you keep downplaying the fact that I am using 6 or 7 game series to my advantage, then you go and use single games to your advanatage. Wade averaged 28PPG on 51% shooting against Detroit for season, 25PPG on 56% shooting against Sacramento, etc... Why am I using his stats against those teams vs Bron's? Because his scoring stats were better against those teams, and Wade averaged better RPG and APG against Grizz and comparable vs Minny. Putting up 36PPG on 41% shooting is not amazing against a T-Mac-less Rockets who had NO defender to guard LeBron. Not to mention they only won by 2 points. My negatives against LeBron do not have to do with individual games or the teams he faces, just the fact that when he is forced to take jumpshots and driving is cutoff he has a tough time, moreso than Wade has. Of course he will have a good game here and there with his jumpshot and will get his points (the game vs Wizards where he went 7/12 from 3 comes to mind), but Wade is more consistent taking and making the midrange than Bron is. Miami has no one to keep Bron out of the paint. Bron is 4-5 inches taller than Wade and weighs about 25lbs less, and Walker and Haslem aren't athletic enough to keep him out of the paint. You can have the best interior D in the league, but like Shaq, if Bron gets into the paint its as good as over. As for NJ, RJ is not a great defender but did hold him under his normal shooting % (not to mention Bron shooting only .071% from 3). Again, we can do this he plays good against this team, bad agains this team bit all day. The teams that Wade struggles against that he didn't show he can beat in playoffs- Chicago, Atlanta and LA, all have a defender who is athletic enough to put a hand in Wade's face and slow down his driving, and also have pretty good interior defenses. The teams Bron struggles against- Detroit, Golden State, Clippers, Indiana, Orlando, Sacramento and Portland all have solid-good interior defenses and/or defenders that are athletic and can keep him out of paint. Wade, for the most part, is more consistent in his numbers from team to team than Bron, and the reason is because of each of their strengths/weaknesses. There are 7 teams Bron scores under 6PPG than he averages for season, while there are only 4 teams that hold Wade to under 6 points or more than his average. There are SIX teams that hold Bron to under 40% shooting, and only TWO teams that do same to Wade. In other words, your theory that Bron is more consistent because he scores 4PPG more than Wade during season is garbage. It's same as T-Mac, he has a GREAT midrange/slashing game, but takes WAY too many 3's. Bron took 374 3pt shots this season. Wade took 65 attempts, yet he scores only 4PPG less and takes 5 less shots per game. Bron took 677 attemps from between close range shots-3pt line, whereas Wade took 657...now remember Wade played 4 less games than Bron, which means that Wade likely would have ended up taking more of those shots...my point? Wade is more consistent in shot selection, smarter in his selection in the sense he takes the higher % shot, and only scores 4PPG less than the guy who takes over 300 more 3pt shots in a season, and overall takes 5 more shots per game.There is no what-if involved. You can blatantly see, through stats, watching games and how each plays against different teams, what each of their strengths and weaknesses are and what they struggle with. I prefer that Wade is a more consistent scorer, shoots ball at higher %, and uses his midrange game to his advantage when driving his cutoff than Bron, who takes much more difficult shots and is not as dangerous from their to begin with then, say, a T-Mac or Kobe.
I'm not going to bother responding and having to do this and that and having him reiterate the same thing with discredited points, but let me show you our AIM convo:H1sGreatness23 (6:08:31 PM): wow..H1sGreatness23 (6:08:39 PM): Wade is better because he has better SHOT SELECTION??H1sGreatness23 (6:08:56 PM): And he plays better against 6 TEAMS OUT OF 30?? that hes BETTER??Nitro1118 (6:10:34 PM): noH1sGreatness23 (6:11:06 PM): I prefer that Wade is a more consistent scorer, shoots ball at higher %, and uses his midrange game to his advantage when driving his cutoff than BronNitro1118 (6:11:10 PM): he is more consistent, and I wa shoping that the stats would show you he is more consistent against each teamH1sGreatness23 (6:11:18 PM): against each team?H1sGreatness23 (6:11:23 PM): dude, there's 82 games in the NBA H1sGreatness23 (6:11:30 PM): you play once against at least EVERY TEAMH1sGreatness23 (6:11:43 PM): Who averaged higher against the WHOLE LEAUGE rather'd than some select teams?H1sGreatness23 (6:11:51 PM): NOT DWYANE WADENitro1118 (6:12:34 PM): yes, ther eis 82 games, and there are 6 teams that hold him under 40% shooting and 7 teams that hold him under 6PPG below his season average, whereas only 4 teams hold wade under 6PPG his season average and only 2 that hold him under 40% shootingH1sGreatness23 (6:14:20 PM): So 6 teams > 32 teams?H1sGreatness23 (6:14:24 PM): 30*Nitro1118 (6:14:39 PM): no, but 7>4, and 6>2That's the basic foundation of it summed up for ya folks...he'd rather prefer Dwyane...against 7 select teams averaging like 2 PPG more or something...rather'd than the whole league..30 teams in 82 games.Yep....7 teams...over 30. :rock: EDIT:I'd also like to add one things to further discredit this all:Shane, T-Mac, etc. etc. not ATHLETIC enough to defend LeBron? Is THAT the best excuse? AN INTERIOR DEFENSE is an interior defense regardless of who's on them, even though the "not athletic enough" excuse is complete bullsh**, there's much more important matters at hand to prove its complete false..like me giving you games already of Bron having his driving cut off by those certain teams with "unathletic" players and still shooting it from outside and midrange..but once again, you found some way to try to dial it out with another excuse. Yep....7 teams...over 30. :rock:
Umm, wow you took it W-A-Y out of cointext. I said Wade is more consistent with his scoring. Why? There are 7 teams that hold Bron under 6PPG or more his average, while only 4 teams do same to Wade. There are 6 teams that hold Bron to under 40% shooting, while only 2 teams do that to Wade. Those first 7 teams that do that to Bron's PPG are NOT tall the teams that do the thing to his FG %. Then you 15 teams in which Wade averaged 3PPG within his average, while Bron only does that with 9 teams. In other words, Wade is more consistent from team to team during season with his scoring.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Oct 1 2006, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Umm, wow you took it W-A-Y out of cointext. I said Wade is more consistent with his scoring. Why? There are 7 teams that hold Bron under 6PPG or more his average, while only 4 teams do same to Wade. There are 6 teams that hold Bron to under 40% shooting, while only 2 teams do that to Wade. Those first 7 teams that do that to Bron's PPG are NOT tall the teams that do the thing to his FG %. Then you 15 teams in which Wade averaged 3PPG within his average, while Bron only does that with 9 teams. In other words, Wade is more consistent from team to team during season with his scoring.</div>No, I didn't take it out of context, you said it word-for-word and that's all I needed.Dwyane Wade held well below his average the whole season (23ish) -27 gamesLeBron James held well below his average the whole season (27ish..which is Wade's average )-18 games
Whatever bro, I feel my point was proven. Wade is a more efficient scorer, scores only 4PPG less without taking the 5 extra shots per game Bron does or the 300 extra 3pt FGA's in a season, both shoot the same exact percentage from close range/midrange, and Wade is more consistent from team to team. In the playoffs Wade proved he can score from midrange, he had 99FGM from midrange and 106FGM from at basket in post season, where Bron had 31FGM from midrange to his 96FGM at basket in post season. In season Bron scored 257FGM from midrange to his 491 at basket. Wade 253FGM from midrange to his 433 at basket. In playoffs, only 24% of Bron's FGM from inside 3 were from midrange, where 48% of Wade's shots inside 3 were midrange shots. In season, 34% of Bron's made shots from inside 3 were from midrange whereas 37% of Wade's made shots from inside 3 were from midrange. What does all of this show? Wade is a more consistent threat from midrange and has shown, in playoffs and in season, that he can use it as a consistent 2nd option and shoots it just as well as Bron (in playoffs shot it much better than Bron). You can downplay the playoffs all you want when it comes to consistency, but to ME the playoffs proved a lot of my debate, and the stats I showed you before proved in seaosn Bron is more inconsistent than Wade. And back to the other point, Wade scores only 4PPG less, taking 5 less shots per game and over 300 less 3PTA in the season. I am done with this debate, I am sick of you twisting and turning my words and saying sh*t that just isn't true about the subject. I feel I have proven my debate enough with stats and opinion from actually watching the games, and while many may disagree with my opinion on the subject of who is the better scorer, I feel I proved my side well enough to where I am done with the debate.
Kobe had 6 more FGA than James..worse %..and only had 4 more PT's.Bron shot more from midrange and shot 39% from MR...Wade shot 38...Just to clear it up since he already opted out.
Few reasons why wade might have a higher FG%:how many of wade's points came from shaq's passes off a double team, where all he has to do is dunk the ball or shoot a wide open mid-range jumper...........having shaq on your team makes a big difference whether he's scoring or not.Shaq still needs to be doubled by most teams and that creates a bigger space for wade to operate. Lebron doesn't have that luxury.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lakersfoelyfe @ Oct 1 2006, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Few reasons why wade might have a higher FG%:how many of wade's points came from shaq's passes off a double team, where all he has to do is dunk the ball or shoot a wide open mid-range jumper...........having shaq on your team makes a big difference whether he's scoring or not.Shaq still needs to be doubled by most teams and that creates a bigger space for wade to operate. Lebron doesn't have that luxury.</div><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">That's based off of setting. I don't see why you have to compare DWade & LeBron by using Shaq as the horrible defensive point in showing how LeBron is better. I know LeBron is better, but I don't see why Shaq should be...Oh!I get it! The Lakers incident, right? Okay! I get ya! Carry on then. I won't bug ya!</span>
IMO this is VERY close, But I really really do think wade wins this one..Wade is an amazing clutch shooter and he wins the important games for his teams. Wade does amazing things when he is under pressure and bron does nothing. Wade can get the open shot better than lebron and he can drive better too. Bron defenetly is a better shooter and is crazy when it comes too his athletisism. but in a close edgy one imo wade can pull out a win where bron cannot.1
