You'll often hear people who have never seen Karl Malone in anything other then a Laker uniform say Tim Duncan was much better then Malone, Duncan could score just as well,rebound just as well, and defend much better, and to those people, why dont you watch Karl Malone? Yes he never won a ring, but if your telling me he didnt play hard enough to win a ring, your completely wrong, I remember in '98 game 6 he dominated Rodman scoring around 80% of his field goals for the game while taking turnaround jumpers, he played in every finals series much better then TD has played in any of his 3 championship runs, and you also have to take competition into account? Who did Duncan beat? A nets team of Jkidd and Kenyon Martin? Comparing that to the Bulls Dynasty for finals competition? :g: As far as defense goes, I'd definately give an advantage to Duncan, but people often forget Malone won the defensive first team twice while beating out amazing post defenders at PF like Rodman and Oakley and was also an all defensive second team twice, as far as scoring goes please tell me how these players are equal scorers? Tim Duncan97-98 SAS 82 82 39.1 .549 .000 .662 3.3 8.6 11.9 2.7 .67 2.51 3.40 3.10 21.1 98-99 SAS 50 50 39.3 .495 .143 .690 3.2 8.2 11.4 2.4 .90 2.52 2.92 2.90 21.7 99-00 SAS 74 74 38.9 .490 .091 .761 3.5 8.9 12.4 3.2 .89 2.23 3.27 2.80 23.2 00-01 SAS 82 82 38.7 .499 .259 .618 3.2 9.0 12.2 3.0 .85 2.34 2.95 3.00 22.2 01-02 SAS 82 82 40.6 .508 .100 .799 3.3 9.4 12.7 3.7 .74 2.48 3.21 2.60 25.5 02-03 SAS 81 81 39.3 .513 .273 .710 3.2 9.7 12.9 3.9 .68 2.93 3.06 2.90 23.3 03-04 SAS 69 68 36.6 .501 .167 .599 3.3 9.2 12.4 3.1 .90 2.68 2.65 2.40 22.3 04-05 SAS 66 66 33.4 .496 .333 .670 3.1 8.0 11.1 2.7 .68 2.64 1.92 2.20 20.3 05-06 SAS 48 48 35.6 .491 .250 .664 2.8 8.7 11.5 3.0 .77 2.04 2.48 2.70 19.8 Karl Malone85-86 UTA 81 76 30.6 .496 .000 .481 2.10 6.70 8.90 2.9 1.30 .54 3.44 3.60 14.9 86-87 UTA 82 82 34.8 .512 .000 .598 3.40 7.00 10.40 1.9 1.27 .73 2.89 3.90 21.7 87-88 UTA 82 82 39.0 .520 .000 .700 3.40 8.60 12.00 2.4 1.43 .61 3.96 3.60 27.7 88-89 UTA 80 80 39.1 .519 .313 .766 3.20 7.40 10.70 2.7 1.80 .88 3.56 3.60 29.1 89-90 UTA 82 82 38.1 .562 .372 .762 2.80 8.30 11.10 2.8 1.48 .61 3.71 3.20 31.0 90-91 UTA 82 82 40.3 .527 .286 .770 2.90 8.90 11.80 3.3 1.09 .96 2.98 3.30 29.0 91-92 UTA 81 81 37.7 .526 .176 .778 2.80 8.40 11.20 3.0 1.33 .63 3.06 2.80 28.0 92-93 UTA 82 82 37.8 .552 .200 .740 2.80 8.40 11.20 3.8 1.51 1.04 2.93 3.20 27.0 93-94 UTA 82 82 40.6 .497 .250 .694 2.90 8.60 11.50 4.0 1.52 1.54 2.85 3.30 25.2 94-95 UTA 82 82 38.1 .536 .268 .742 1.90 8.70 10.60 3.5 1.57 1.04 2.88 3.30 26.7 95-96 UTA 82 82 38.0 .519 .400 .723 2.10 7.70 9.80 4.2 1.68 .68 2.43 3.00 25.7 96-97 UTA 82 82 36.6 .550 .000 .755 2.40 7.50 9.90 4.5 1.38 .59 2.84 2.60 27.4 97-98 UTA 81 81 37.4 .530 .333 .761 2.30 8.00 10.30 3.9 1.19 .86 3.05 2.90 27.0 98-99 UTA 49 49 37.4 .493 .000 .788 2.20 7.30 9.40 4.1 1.27 .57 3.31 2.70 23.8 99-00 UTA 82 82 35.9 .509 .250 .797 2.10 7.40 9.50 3.7 .96 .87 2.82 2.80 25.5 00-01 UTA 81 81 35.7 .498 .400 .793 1.40 6.90 8.30 4.5 1.15 .77 3.01 2.70 23.2 01-02 UTA 80 80 38.0 .454 .360 .797 1.80 6.80 8.60 4.3 1.90 .74 3.29 2.90 22.4 02-03 UTA 81 81 36.2 .462 .214 .763 1.40 6.40 7.80 4.7 1.68 .38 2.59 2.50 20.6 03-04 LAL 42 42 32.7 .483 .000 .747 1.50 7.30 8.70 3.9 1.19 .48 2.45 2.80 13.2 Some of Karl Malones worst offensive seasons, were better then most of Tim Duncan's best worst offensive seasons, You could also compare Versatility and longevity, both give huge advantages to Malone.In summary, Was Karl Malone a much more dominant scorer? yes, Was he that much worse of a defender then Duncan? No. And again, Duncan may have 3 rings, but I dont remember him ever backing down Michael Jordan.
Lol, so Tim duncan's championship mean less because he didn't face MJ? So the lakers championships meant nothing because they didn't face the bulls. You're not saying that directly but you'r obviously implying it.Tim Duncan carried the spurs on his back during the first two seasons. Malone and tim duncan play different games, malone was more offensive minded. He was the only scoring threat on his team so obviously he's going to score more. Duncan this season is battling injuries and is in relax mode. Once his team needs him to play, he will.And duncan is the better defender, like you said "most people have seen the malone on the lakers". Well watch the duncan of 2000,2001 and see why Duncan and malone are not in the same league in defense.And no-one can be considered the greatest at their position unless he won. If malone was a winner, then possibly you could call him better than timmy. But Duncan in series clinching games turns up and plays his best. Doesn't turnover the ball in the most crucial time of the game.hey and since you're a state whore or wateva, let's compare.Karl malone's averages- 25-10-4Hakeem Olajuown's averages - 21-11-2Duncan - 22-12-3Malone>Hakeem.
I would take Olajuwon or Duncan over Malone. Yes Malone has the best offense of the 3 but Duncan and Olajuwon were monster defenders. The whole San Antonio's defense is built around Duncan's interior defense. Bowen guards his defender so close because he knows if they come through Duncan will meet them at the basket. Olajuwon was a blocking machine so the little advantage Malone has on the offense doesn't compare to the big difference on defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 14 2006, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would take Olajuwon or Duncan over Malone. Yes Malone has the best offense of the 3 but Duncan and Olajuwon were monster defenders. The whole San Antonio's defense is built around Duncan's interior defense. Bowen guards his defender so close because he knows if they come through Duncan will meet them at the basket. Olajuwon was a blocking machine so the little advantage Malone has on the offense doesn't compare to the big difference on defense.</div>You missed what i was trying to hint at. I was tryng to prove that stas are not the standard of the better players. Stats + Championships make people great. Duncan has both. Malone has one.
Karl Malone was the dirtiest player to ever play, referee's gave him so many bullshit calls...thats why he scored so much, because he got to the FT line so often.He pushed and pushed, and the refs gave and gave, until the league created someone very dangerous. (The choice of the word "dangerous," by the way, is not mine -- it a word chosen by journalists like Eddie Sefko and players like Avery Johnson.)Dominique Wilkins stung theMailman with a rebuke, to this effect: "You're a cheap-shot artist. You'renot a man. You always go out there to hurt somebody smaller than you."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You'll often hear people who have never seen Karl Malone in anything other then a Laker uniform say Tim Duncan was much better then Malone, Duncan could score just as well,rebound just as well, and defend much better, and to those people, why dont you watch Karl Malone?</div>You always start with that, and it annoys me. The people who say this guy was better but never watched him. Start stating people's name. To answer your question, in some ways it's arguable whose better. Karl was a dirty player, it's known, but used it to his advantage. He's the epitomy of the natural power forward, unlike what we see these days, the more athletic. And you can argue for Duncan, who has been at the top of the new generation of power forwards. He leads the pack. Me, I like the gruttiness of Malone, despite his dirtiness, it's always good to have someone who wasn't willing to back down. No offense to Duncan, I've yet to see a mean streak for more then one game. I go with Malone, but it's not by much.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Me, I like the gruttiness of Malone, despite his dirtiness, it's always good to have someone who wasn't willing to back down. No offense to Duncan, I've yet to see a mean streak for more then one game.</div> Tim Duncan is just a different kind of guy...he doesn't look mad a lot...I don't think it matters.
malone and timmy are some of the greatest to ever play at PF.but if you say malone was better than tim duncan by a lot. you're wrong. a little. maybe. but i think it's close. very close.there has never been anyone like tim duncan. he made his team an instant success and they still are today. duncan's game is almost flawless. that's what they say. he's mr. fundamental. he blocks shots, and he dominates the paint.now look at malone. he played in the league so long. had one of -the- best PG's on his team. he dominated the pick and roll offense. a dirty player, yea. he was smart. i remember when the rockets played the lakers in the playoffs a while back and malone would "slip the chair from under Yao." hahahaha when he was trying to post. i would be so mad, but it was effective. they had at least 3-4 turnovers from it. he was a smart defender, never a great shotblocker but he had great hands. and yet, still never able to get that championship ring. that HAS to say something.just because of all the examples i've seen from tim. i think i'd have to have him on my team. look how he helped the spurs. tim can only get better.
Timmy is a slinet killer. Lol, i like silent killers more.And since Primetime thinks stockton is one the bests to play the point, wouldn't you think stockton improved malone's play just a tad? Could another PG run the pick and roll like Stockton?Malone has always had a star with him, one of the best. Duncan had an aging Robinson.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Feb 13 2006, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You'll often hear people who have never seen Karl Malone in anything other then a Laker uniform say Tim Duncan was much better then Malone, Duncan could score just as well,rebound just as well, and defend much better, and to those people, why dont you watch Karl Malone? Yes he never won a ring, but if your telling me he didnt play hard enough to win a ring, your completely wrong, I remember in '98 game 6 he dominated Rodman scoring around 80% of his field goals for the game while taking turnaround jumpers, he played in every finals series much better then TD has played in any of his 3 championship runs, and you also have to take competition into account? Who did Duncan beat? A nets team of Jkidd and Kenyon Martin? Comparing that to the Bulls Dynasty for finals competition? :g: As far as defense goes, I'd definately give an advantage to Duncan, but people often forget Malone won the defensive first team twice while beating out amazing post defenders at PF like Rodman and Oakley and was also an all defensive second team twice, as far as scoring goes please tell me how these players are equal scorers? Tim Duncan97-98 SAS 82 82 39.1 .549 .000 .662 3.3 8.6 11.9 2.7 .67 2.51 3.40 3.10 21.1 98-99 SAS 50 50 39.3 .495 .143 .690 3.2 8.2 11.4 2.4 .90 2.52 2.92 2.90 21.7 99-00 SAS 74 74 38.9 .490 .091 .761 3.5 8.9 12.4 3.2 .89 2.23 3.27 2.80 23.2 00-01 SAS 82 82 38.7 .499 .259 .618 3.2 9.0 12.2 3.0 .85 2.34 2.95 3.00 22.2 01-02 SAS 82 82 40.6 .508 .100 .799 3.3 9.4 12.7 3.7 .74 2.48 3.21 2.60 25.5 02-03 SAS 81 81 39.3 .513 .273 .710 3.2 9.7 12.9 3.9 .68 2.93 3.06 2.90 23.3 03-04 SAS 69 68 36.6 .501 .167 .599 3.3 9.2 12.4 3.1 .90 2.68 2.65 2.40 22.3 04-05 SAS 66 66 33.4 .496 .333 .670 3.1 8.0 11.1 2.7 .68 2.64 1.92 2.20 20.3 05-06 SAS 48 48 35.6 .491 .250 .664 2.8 8.7 11.5 3.0 .77 2.04 2.48 2.70 19.8 Karl Malone85-86 UTA 81 76 30.6 .496 .000 .481 2.10 6.70 8.90 2.9 1.30 .54 3.44 3.60 14.9 86-87 UTA 82 82 34.8 .512 .000 .598 3.40 7.00 10.40 1.9 1.27 .73 2.89 3.90 21.7 87-88 UTA 82 82 39.0 .520 .000 .700 3.40 8.60 12.00 2.4 1.43 .61 3.96 3.60 27.7 88-89 UTA 80 80 39.1 .519 .313 .766 3.20 7.40 10.70 2.7 1.80 .88 3.56 3.60 29.1 89-90 UTA 82 82 38.1 .562 .372 .762 2.80 8.30 11.10 2.8 1.48 .61 3.71 3.20 31.0 90-91 UTA 82 82 40.3 .527 .286 .770 2.90 8.90 11.80 3.3 1.09 .96 2.98 3.30 29.0 91-92 UTA 81 81 37.7 .526 .176 .778 2.80 8.40 11.20 3.0 1.33 .63 3.06 2.80 28.0 92-93 UTA 82 82 37.8 .552 .200 .740 2.80 8.40 11.20 3.8 1.51 1.04 2.93 3.20 27.0 93-94 UTA 82 82 40.6 .497 .250 .694 2.90 8.60 11.50 4.0 1.52 1.54 2.85 3.30 25.2 94-95 UTA 82 82 38.1 .536 .268 .742 1.90 8.70 10.60 3.5 1.57 1.04 2.88 3.30 26.7 95-96 UTA 82 82 38.0 .519 .400 .723 2.10 7.70 9.80 4.2 1.68 .68 2.43 3.00 25.7 96-97 UTA 82 82 36.6 .550 .000 .755 2.40 7.50 9.90 4.5 1.38 .59 2.84 2.60 27.4 97-98 UTA 81 81 37.4 .530 .333 .761 2.30 8.00 10.30 3.9 1.19 .86 3.05 2.90 27.0 98-99 UTA 49 49 37.4 .493 .000 .788 2.20 7.30 9.40 4.1 1.27 .57 3.31 2.70 23.8 99-00 UTA 82 82 35.9 .509 .250 .797 2.10 7.40 9.50 3.7 .96 .87 2.82 2.80 25.5 00-01 UTA 81 81 35.7 .498 .400 .793 1.40 6.90 8.30 4.5 1.15 .77 3.01 2.70 23.2 01-02 UTA 80 80 38.0 .454 .360 .797 1.80 6.80 8.60 4.3 1.90 .74 3.29 2.90 22.4 02-03 UTA 81 81 36.2 .462 .214 .763 1.40 6.40 7.80 4.7 1.68 .38 2.59 2.50 20.6 03-04 LAL 42 42 32.7 .483 .000 .747 1.50 7.30 8.70 3.9 1.19 .48 2.45 2.80 13.2 Some of Karl Malones worst offensive seasons, were better then most of Tim Duncan's best worst offensive seasons, You could also compare Versatility and longevity, both give huge advantages to Malone.In summary, Was Karl Malone a much more dominant scorer? yes, Was he that much worse of a defender then Duncan? No. And again, Duncan may have 3 rings, but I dont remember him ever backing down Michael Jordan.</div>I've got of posts to catch up on, but first off, Tim Duncan has just begun his decline, let's look at him by the end of his career to compare career's. And yes it is relevent when playing a dynasty, there were plenty of players in the 60s-70s who were snubbed championships because of the pure dominance of the Celtics dynasty, it doesnt make them any lesser players, and on a side note, no one played the bulls better then the jazz did, Stockton and Malone's performances rank amongst the greatest ever, and while Duncan is great in the playoffs, it's an insult to compare it to Malone, who came out in game 6 shooting over 90% in the 1st half with Rodman on him, something I doubt no one else in NBA history could say true.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Feb 16 2006, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Timmy is a slinet killer. Lol, i like silent killers more.And since Primetime thinks stockton is one the bests to play the point, wouldn't you think stockton improved malone's play just a tad? Could another PG run the pick and roll like Stockton?Malone has always had a star with him, one of the best. Duncan had an aging Robinson.</div>Again its all competition, Do you really want me to break down the talent of the Nets to the Bulls Dynasty of the 90s? The Jazz had to go through MUCH greater talent then Kmart and Jkidd. Even the Bulls bench of the 90s could challenge that Nets team to take the east. :g:
Tim Duncan is declining? The only thing about Tim Duncan that has declined are his minutes so he stays fresh in the playoffs.
Malone is without a doubt the best PF there is so far. Granted, Duncan has won 3 championships but when it comes to the best PF, I go by talent individually. I won't hate on Stockton, Malone, Barkley etc. because of the fact that their teams never won a championship. I would take Malone over Duncan as a player, but Duncan could surpass him if he continues his longevity.
With Duncan you always felt like he could score so much more but he never did, Karl Malone got the ball more and got to the FT line a lot more than Duncan has.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Feb 23 2006, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tim Duncan is declining? The only thing about Tim Duncan that has declined are his minutes so he stays fresh in the playoffs.</div>There's a reason he's getting less minutes, its because hes declining. He doesnt have his old stamaina.
I would definetly take Karl over Duncan. Heck, I'd take KG over Duncan. I don't know if Karl was the best ever because I never watched the guys from a long time ago but he's certainly the best of the last 20 years.
Primetime my man you obviously haven't been following the news latley. Duncan has been suffering from plantar fasciitis. He's also in relax mode, he isn't trying too hard like other players in the league because he's team will help him.\edit: This is ridicolous, people saying they'd take KG over Duncan. Karl malone over duncan is given and is debatbale but at the moment KG isn't on Duncan's level. A guy who's made it pass the first round once isn't better than a 3 time CHAMPION,
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Feb 24 2006, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Primetime my man you obviously haven't been following the news latley. Duncan has been suffering from plantar fasciitis. He's also in relax mode, he isn't trying too hard like other players in the league because he's team will help him.</div>Again injuries are another part of decling, Grant Hill isnt declining, he's just getting injured a lot.
