Anyone getting ticked off with Don Nelson?

I agree that Nellie has not had the best personnel. Those Bucks teams were wonderful, Lister, Sikma, Cummings, Mokeski, Moncrief, Marques Johnson. Unfortunately, there were the Sixers and the Celtics. But he had bigs and played them.

Showtime is not an appropriate comparison. That was not Kareem and 4 guards. There was Magic, who rebounded, Rambis, Worthy, Mychal Thompson.

Nellie refuses to play big nowadays. Think to the old W's teams, he used to insist on playing Victor Alexander at PF when he was only 6'8" because he could hit a jumper. Sadly, that's all he could do. His ideal team was the '94 team with Webber, Gatling, Billy Owens, Sprewell and Avery. Those guys could all score. But look at the frontline, unconventional guys who could score and handle the ball, not post up guys (Webber posted but not regularly because his only regular move was the spin dunk; oh but what a move.) He trusted Gatling and Owens because they could shoot. Instead of grooming Wright and Randolph to be the same; he's buring them.

 

Good riddance to everyone on that list. Barnes is the only guy on that list with Heart. He simply had an off year on a contract year for multiple reasons. Don't forget that Nelly had him as a captain. It's not like he wasn't utilizing him. In fact, he gave him a longer leash than most coaches would've last year. Everyone on that list is replaceable with 1 or 2 D-League minimum salary player.

 

when yall get ellis back, you can run some great talented line-ups out there. harrington is a bum, and crawford is just plain better than him.

you almost have to run 3 gaurds or 4 sometimes because of the personnel, but throwing out:

monta
crawford
sjax
maggette
biedrins

is a good team, not to mention all the talent on the bench.

 

Yes on Wright, but he's playing Randolph more than I thought he would and for reasons you have pointed out: he's a big that has an all-around game like Webber (well, bad comparison, but you get my point). Randolph could be Nellie's next Dirk project. Wright, as talented and skilled as he is, is not getting a fair shot. If I was to have one complaint this season, it would be not giving Wright enough PT. He should be getting 30+ minutes a game, period.

Azubuike and CJ Watson's minutes should decrease in order to give Wright minutes. I can say the same about Marco.

I think signing Azubuike really screwed up the lineups and development of the young guys. Sorry, unpopular thing to say, but if we didn't have Buike, we'd be seeing a lot more Marco and Wright, IMO.

 

Maybe people would rather go back to Carlisimo, I hear he's available these days?

 

I recall people were blaming Nelson when he played horrible lineups, such as the young players, too long against the Kings, which led to a huge loss. Now he plays rosters to try to win games instead of developing players and he still gets bashed. I guess that is the life of every coach of every team sport.

I think Wright has been making great progress with this roster.

Also we are not even a month done with the season. You have to have at least a few months where you are doing everything you can to win games and be competitive. If the team falters and moves out of the playoff run then there is 2 months more or less to play all of these young guys. But now, I think Nelson has done a pretty good job this season getting the players in there that should be. Last game it seemed like there were no bigs to clean up the defensive glass, even though it seems like he put in the bigs to play as much as possible. The game before that there was just no perimeter players to step it up on defense. How can you blame rebounding on Nelson when he's playing the bigs?

Also Matt Barnes would be working at Macy's if it weren't for Nelson. Talk about grooming players. Steve Nash, Dirk, Baron Davis, and others come to mind as well.

 

No. Nelson said you could get another Barnes from the scrap heap. I don't think he ever did appreciate him even if he was captain. I think the players had more to do with it. Second, I said we could've kept Barnes instead of getting Mags + all that dough. I rather have Barnes instead of Mags' prices.

 

Nice job Nellie getting smoked by a 1-10 team with a new coach. He gets abused on the glass yet only plugs in Wright and Randolph at garbage time while Maggette and Azubuike play against Blatche and Jamison. Great.

 

Oh man... that's why I refuse to watch games until Nelson finally gets it. I know I'm supposed to reply to some other comments on here saying Nelly is better than the other guys. I've been meaning to, but I've just been so tired after a hard day's work.

Long comments short: Nelson doesn't know how to coach big men and we'll be stuck in the toilet for years if we don't make attempts to get better in the big size positions. 2 rebounds from our "starting power forward" is atrocious and not playing the guys that help you in the paint and rebound and defend weakside is pathetic. 20 minutes or less from our true power forwards who aren't even being positioned at the 4 is unacceptable ball. Wright was 5 of 6 today and Turiaf got almost no burn. WTF is this? It makes me so mad how Nelson is pissing the season away on his brand of ball which doesn't develop the future in the positions we need badly. We're not a small ball team anymore, why does he insist on playing away from balanced halfcourt/open court offensive attack and go for this run and chuck mentality. It's a crappy product. Change coaches. Damn I'm all upset again.

 

I wonder what this team would be like if we didn't have CJ Watson, Azubuike, DeMarcus Nelson, and Anthony Morrow? I think Nellie would actually, gasp, play our lottery picks and/or players we got through trade (i.e. Marcus Williams). I wonder how many minutes he has given D-Leaguers over those players (Randolph, Wright, Bellinelli, M. Williams)?

EDIT: the total minutes for CJ, Buike, D Nelson, and Morrow is 1134 while the total minutes for Brandon Wright, Anthony Randolph, Bellinelli, and M. Williams is 415. Wow...

The good thing is it's still the first month of the season. I'm not going to panic just yet. I will continue to blame Baron leaving, and Monta getting hurt as the reason this season has been so frustrating. That helps me sleep at night.

 

I wonder if "small ball", even when played well, is beginning to become less viable because back 20 years ago or so when Nellie was formulating these concepts, you had frontline players who were much slower and much less athletic than they are nowadays. Your guards and forwards could perhaps "run circles" around these "planted trees" and have a field day. But now you have superb, quick, leaping athletes on the frontlines like Bosh, Amare, KG, and others who are actually as quick to the ball as smaller players in many cases, and still stronger. Just a thought.

Anyway, I don't see the Warriors making the playoffs this year, so I'm willing to wait until after Monta gets back to completely judge Nelson. He does exasperate me often with his moves and non-moves, but I want to see him work with a full, healthy roster first. Hopefully without Maggette though, because while he's obviously a legitimate NBA player, the more I see of his game, the less I like it. We got rid of one ballhog in Harrington, we have two left. Jackson's not going anywhere so that means Maggette has to.

Of course we just got Crawford, who may be yet another ballhog, but he was 4-10 with 7 assists vs. 1 turnover last night, I can live with that. It looks like a point guard's line at least.

 

The solution to all this is the Warriors stringing together some wins and giving us hope for getting back to the playoffs. However, we all know that isn't likely to happen.

What bugs me most is what happened in the front office. We had Mullin put together a team that could get us back to the playoffs and now suddenly he's likely to leave the Warriors. I just don't understand how an organization gets to the playoffs after 13 years, then just misses the playoffs the next, and suddenly their front office is falling apart. I can accept Nelson as coach under Mullin, but I can't accept him in some kind of GM role. That's just a disaster waiting to happen. Yet, that is what it appears we are going to have with Rowell, Nelson, and Riley. Besides, I thought Nelson was going to retire after this year.

 

Nelson is not the coach you want with so many young players on the team with so much potential. We should have never signed him to an extension.

 

What potential are you talking about? Ellis and Beidrins are the only 2 players that have a chance at playing in an all-star game in the future. The rest of the guys have TONS of holes in their games. It's time for everyone to wake up. This team should never have been broken up. Cohan and Rowell MUST GO!

 

Brandan Wright will be a future star.

Same with Anthony Randolph.

Morrow will also be a good player in this league.

 

I'm as optimistic as anyone (well, I guess not as optimistic as you) but this is utter nonsense. Because of Nelson, we have no idea what Wright will become. I think he could have been a future star by now had he been developed, just like I think POB could have been good if we used him right.

Randolph looks good but I still think he will eventually need to be a 3 and Nelson is forcing him to play out of position, thus not building the skills he will need to be a wing player.

Morrow? He can shoot, but he's not an NBA player. He won't get another job after the Warriors.

 

You can quote me on this. None of those 3 players will be contributing starters on a legitimate championship caliber team.
[Edit] I'll take the word contributing out. None of those 3 players will be starters on a legitimate championship contending team.

 

Have you guys ever heard of potential?

Saying Wright and Randolph suck is like saying Oden sucks because he isn't starting or play well.

Wright and Randolph were picked high based on their potential and how good they will be in the future.

Nelson has let them rot on the bench so much that people are giving up on them. wow.

 

I gotta agree with the kid (Legacy) on this one. Wright and Randolph have the potential to become really good. Whether or not they get the opportunity under Nelson remains to be seen. I'm optimistic on both.

 

Kid?